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Old 21-03-2007, 12:37 PM
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beginners camera...

ok. so somewhere in all the information on this site, i'm sure that this question has probably already been asked and answered, but i can't find it.

i'm looking to start doing wildlife photography a bit more seriously. i do dabble a bit, and have actually managed a couple of not too blurry shots, but my dad recently took the camera i was using (it was his) and dropped it in a river (don't laugh, the strap broke). now everything looks distinctly hazy.

can anyone reccomend a good beginners camera, with a not too hefty price tag?
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Old 21-03-2007, 12:39 PM
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ok. so somewhere in all the information on this site, i'm sure that this question has probably already been asked and answered, but i can't find it.

i'm looking to start doing wildlife photography a bit more seriously. i do dabble a bit, and have actually managed a couple of not too blurry shots, but my dad recently took the camera i was using (it was his) and dropped it in a river (don't laugh, the strap broke). now everything looks distinctly hazy.

can anyone reccomend a good beginners camera, with a not too hefty price tag?
Depends on whther you want a dslr or not but worth a forum search using 'Panasonic FZ30' as the search key words and you should find plenty of threads about this sort of thing
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Old 21-03-2007, 12:55 PM
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Re: beginners camera...

aha...thanks! that's pulled up LOTS of information. now i'm totally confused and think i will have to go away and read reviews of all the millions of different camera's mentioned in all these posts!
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Old 21-03-2007, 12:58 PM
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aha...thanks! that's pulled up LOTS of information. now i'm totally confused and think i will have to go away and read reviews of all the millions of different camera's mentioned in all these posts!
try typing the same key words or the other camera types into the gallery, this should help

(PS I'm hideously FZ30 biased, I have one and love it )
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Old 21-03-2007, 01:25 PM
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A very versatile camera the FZ30/50 around £300 nearest Dslr starts around
£397 Nikon D40
£480 Canon 400d
Olympus E-400 Digital Slr TWIN LENS Kit with ED 14-42mm and ED 40-150mm Lenses - WORLDS SMALLEST SLR : SLR Cameras : Olympus : Buy a Olympus E-400 Digital Slr TWIN LENS Kit with ED 14-42mm and ED 40-150mm Lenses - WORLDS SMALLEST SLR:Fotosense
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Old 21-03-2007, 02:40 PM
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oh my god....sob....

i've just had a look at all the technical specs attached to all these cameras. i thought there would be a simple sort of 'this isn't the most advanced but it'll be good if you're just starting' answer to this question. i think it's time to bite the bullet and go to the camera shop where they give you stern stares if you go in and don't buy anything!
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Old 21-03-2007, 02:49 PM
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oh my god....sob....

i've just had a look at all the technical specs attached to all these cameras. i thought there would be a simple sort of 'this isn't the most advanced but it'll be good if you're just starting' answer to this question. i think it's time to bite the bullet and go to the camera shop where they give you stern stares if you go in and don't buy anything!
I think the panasonic fits that bill quite well - the only thing is on longer range photography it really struggles to compare to a DSLR and you can't change your lenses or anything (though you can add snap on lenses to improve close up or macro photography or a teleconvertor to get better range)
It's cheaper than a DSLR set up too and there's less to lug around (based on the absence of a range of lenses).

The Panasonic has a decent 8mp and isn't too heavy to carry all day......
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Old 21-03-2007, 02:53 PM
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oh my god....sob....
Dry your eyes mate !
Don't worry...you are not on your own....choosing a new camera is certainly not an easy business. I too am looking for something for a beginner....with excellent results....but not complicated!! (and not too expensive ..say about £150ish)
I don't think I could cope at the moment with ones with additional lenses I just want something thats ready to use with a really good zoom and a really good macro thing.
Are you the same or after something a little more advanced?
Since I started looking, which was only 2 days ago I have had a constant headache, through whizzing through the forum pages and the internet comparing and looking for things I don't know what I'm looking for!
Does this sound familiar??
Anyway, sorry I can be of no actual help ....but Good luck on your quest!!
Ps Gill , I've just had a look at a review of the panasonic one and it looks excellent , especially the cropping on camera bit.
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Old 21-03-2007, 03:48 PM
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Re: beginners camera...

hi. i've stopped sobbing

just been looking online and i think that i'm going to have to suck it in and buy the DSLR type camera, rather than a point and shoot, becasue i've already got one of those, and it's a bit naf for the close ups of things that are alive. they tend to fly off. i've just been sifting through all the ones out there and found this one Fuji Finepix S9600, which looks pretty good and is currently half price on one site. looks pretty nifty. might have to sweet talk my dad into getting it as an early birthday present. i can take it with me to forsinard when i go in june!

if you are stuck (and i still am) the digital camera company online was good. sells all sorts and has some pretty good package deals!
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Old 21-03-2007, 03:59 PM
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hi. i've stopped sobbing

just been looking online and i think that i'm going to have to suck it in and buy the DSLR type camera, rather than a point and shoot, becasue i've already got one of those, and it's a bit naf for the close ups of things that are alive. they tend to fly off. i've just been sifting through all the ones out there and found this one Fuji Finepix S9600, which looks pretty good and is currently half price on one site. looks pretty nifty. might have to sweet talk my dad into getting it as an early birthday present. i can take it with me to forsinard when i go in june!

if you are stuck (and i still am) the digital camera company online was good. sells all sorts and has some pretty good package deals!
Errr good camera, I think a few people on here have it (or have had something similar), but it's not a DSLR it's another 'bridge' or 'prosumer' camera like the panasonic FZ30, fairly similar beast I think actually (though I could be wrong).

These cameras give you more to play with than a point and shoot, you can still manipulate and learn about aperture / shutter speads, white balance etc with these cameras but will struggle in terms of picture quality in comparisson with the DSLRs particularly with more far off wildlife.

but yes you'll still need to get close for good macro shots but have a look at matt_xyz's gallery - it's possible!
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Old 21-03-2007, 04:02 PM
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Dry your eyes mate !

Ps Gill , I've just had a look at a review of the panasonic one and it looks excellent , especially the cropping on camera bit.
You can crop on the camera? I didn't know that! I could with my old NIkon point and shoot but hadn't as yet discovered a cropping function on the FZ30....... well! you learn something new everyday!
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Old 21-03-2007, 04:13 PM
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Errr good camera, I think a few people on here have it (or have had something similar), but it's not a DSLR it's another 'bridge' or 'prosumer' camera like the panasonic FZ30, fairly similar beast I think actually (though I could be wrong).

These cameras give you more to play with than a point and shoot, you can still manipulate and learn about aperture / shutter speads, white balance etc with these cameras but will struggle in terms of picture quality in comparisson with the DSLRs particularly with more far off wildlife.

but yes you'll still need to get close for good macro shots but have a look at matt_xyz's gallery - it's possible!
oh...well it still looked good. i didn't realise there were bridging camera's....(starts to shake at onset of camera related nervous hysteria). the top range fuji camera has been mentioned on here, but its £1000, and i can't afford that. nor would i be able to use it properly!!

i've had a look on his gallery. i'm well impressed. one day i too hope to be able to take photographs that good.......
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You can crop on the camera? I didn't know that! I could with my old NIkon point and shoot but hadn't as yet discovered a cropping function on the FZ30....... well! you learn something new everyday!
This is the one of the many reviews I looked at Panasonic DMC-FZ30 Review: 1. Introduction: Digital Photography Review and it says about in-camera cropping in 'other features' near the bottom of the page.
Is that the same camera as yours because that's a feature I have on my Samsung camera at the moment and it is one of my favourite things to do ! (and probably why my batteries never last long come to think of it!! )
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This is the one of the many reviews I looked at Panasonic DMC-FZ30 Review: 1. Introduction: Digital Photography Review and it says about in-camera cropping in 'other features' near the bottom of the page.
Is that the same camera as yours because that's a feature I have on my Samsung camera at the moment and it is one of my favourite things to do ! (and probably why my batteries never last long come to think of it!! )
Yes that's the one!

WoW I didn't know it did voice annotation either!!!

I can feel a revision of the instruction book coming on!
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Old 21-03-2007, 08:34 PM
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An in-camera cropping facility sounds really useful, I don't suppose Monkster can tell me if my Canon powershot A700 has got this
So can you save the original image if you crop it? and are the images you print out normal photo size?
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An in-camera cropping facility sounds really useful, I don't suppose Monkster can tell me if my Canon powershot A700 has got this
So can you save the original image if you crop it? and are the images you print out normal photo size?
I have just scoured the internet for you (yes..I know that was fast) and I am afraid to say that my findings resulted with a very sad 'No' ......sorry :
On my Samsung camera I can save my cropped images , keep the original image and print them out normal size....very useful for quickness and if you can't use the computer to sort it out!! I think it should be a feature on all cameras.
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Old 21-03-2007, 09:17 PM
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I recently started using the FZ30 and really rate it. It never leaves my car now
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I recently started using the FZ30 and really rate it. It never leaves my car now
wouldnt you get more use out of it if it did - or is all your photography car based these days

joking aside the fuji is an equally good camera - macro mode is better out of the box though you can get an adaptor which dramatically improves the Panasonics performance

if you want or have to spend a bit less it is also worth looking at the panasonic FZ7or he fuji S7500 , i have the former for days when i dont fancy carrying the DSLR and i'm pretty impressed with it , my old dear has the latter and again its pretty flipping good.
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Re: beginners camera...

hello.

thanks for all the help here, i think i'm going to go for the s9600. i'll let you know how it goes, maybe post some pictures if i take any worth saving!

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re dSLR

IF you go down that route (and by the sound of it you are
not going to for a year or so ), do remember that if you
buy a £350.00 dSLR, you will need to spend a sizeable
chunk more on an extra lens(es).

And whatever you get, don't forget to buy a UV filter to
stick on the end to protect the actual lens!

I started digital photography with a prosumer and had a
whole lot of fun.
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Re: beginners camera...

ok coming from a 'prosumer' experienced photographer I have just upgraded to a Canon 350D.
I can tell you two things here. If you go from a decent Prosumer to a DSLR and rely on the cheap lens's then you will be VERY dissapointed, as I have been so far.
If you go from a compact thing to a DSLR then you will possibly not be dissapointed.
Really for my 350D to outperform my Coolpix 8700 I am going to have to spend probably two times the camera body value on lens's. I will say however, while prosumers are very good camera's in general and almost match SLR's for manual functions they are very slow and generally make you work very hard to get reasonable shots... which can be very satisfying though!

To sum up my experience...

Prosumer Pro's
1. often very good optics within a very small package that replace at least two but maybe four lens of a DSLR, or one HUGE lens five times bigger!
2. smaller size, although not always!
3. Very good picture quality at low ISO's (sensitivity to light)
4. You don't always have to look thru viewfinder to get the shot you can use the screen to take pics, and often with a screen that folds out to any angle!
5. My Coolpix has 98% of the functionality of my 350D with some, very usefull functions not on my DSLR!!!

Cons
1. Noisy pics at higher ISO, although they are getting better
2. Slow as heck - if they were quicker they would threaten the cheaper DSLR market! You have to work much harder to get better shots
3. not as intuative to use, although not always the case!
4. you can't change the lens

SLR Pros
1. it's an SLR
2. very low picture noise at high ISO's e.g. I can take a piccy outside in a lit courtyard at night without flash
3. VERY fast response, although I am dissapointed with focus speed on my kit lens - sometimes my Fuji 2800 is as fast, and sharper You knwo with small prints I wouldn't be suprised if it had the upper hand
4. very wide range of lens's available to cover any event
5. very easy to use!

Cons
1. Size
2. very expensive because you will always want to upgrade, I suspect all the top pics on this site are captured with £300 - £500 lens's maybe more!
3. You always have to look thru the viewfinder, although I wouldn't say this is not so much a negative!

Have you looked at something like a Fuji 5600? very reasonable camera with good prices at the moment. I have heard dissapointing results from the 9500 from many people who upgraded from this camera, but maybe becaus the price difference didn't outweigh the extra features!
Then of course there are the Panasonics which offer some very good solutions...
Then again, I was considering the Coolpix 8800 for some time this is a very advanced prosumer with 10x optical (35-350mm in 35mm equivalent), built in Vibration Reduction and 235,000 pixel viewfinder (as cl