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Old 04-10-2008, 05:42 PM
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I just purchased a Kirk Gimbal head and it is superb it handles my 600mm easily and is a doddle to set up and use i've tried a few gimbal heads over the years but this is the best i have tried
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Old 05-10-2008, 12:27 AM
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Thanks for the recommendation - pics of the item in question would be good
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I just purchased a Kirk Gimbal head and it is superb it handles my 600mm easily and is a doddle to set up and use i've tried a few gimbal heads over the years but this is the best i have tried
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lost in woods you've lost me completely with that one what the---is a gimbal head,especially a Kirk one
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lost in woods you've lost me completely with that one what the---is a gimbal head,especially a Kirk one

Google it - it's not uncommon in photography circles.
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Re: Gimbal Heads

Ok googled it as you suggested so i'll post the result on here so anyone else who hasn't heard of this gadget can find out that's what forums are for DC

A review by Andy Astbury

I must admit to being totally sold on this revised version of the Wimberley ever since I first clapped eyes on it, and here we are
12 months on and my feelings about it have not changed one iota.

In the time that I have been using it ( and I did buy it ! ) it has become like an extension of my hands, so simple is it to use, and with the small twist of two knobs the entire rig is held securely for slinging over your shoulder and moving on to the next shot.

I always felt wary of the Sidekick style head because of the side-mounting method of lens attachment it uses – a lens like the Sigma 300-800mm weighs in at just shy of 6 kilograms which is an awful amount of leverage on the lens foot and the mounting plate – simple common sense physics tell you it’s a risky design and the head actually strains to keep hold of the lens.

The original Wimberley V1 corrected this design flaw by supporting the lens from underneath, thereby creating a head that actually utilizes the lenses own weight, but the new V2 version head takes things to a whole new level.

Compact, super strong and light weight, the V2 head holds a 14lb lens securely and with such poise and balance that the lens feels totally weightless.

Both main tension adjusters can now by operated with one hand as they are on the same side of the head, the adjuster knobs themselves are lobed and covered with a soft-touch rubber making them very easy to operate in all weathers and with thick gloves on.

All the bearing surfaces are precision engineered with no discernable backlash or play.

And after well over a year of being thrown into the back of my vehicle to take its chances in what looks like a veritable scrap-yard; after being scoured with wind-blown dune sand, half-drowned with water, the finish and function of the Wimberley V2 has yet to differ from what it was ‘out of the box’.

Panning and tilting in order to follow larger birds in flight with 5,6 and 800mm telephoto lenses suddenly becomes much less of a ‘black art’ and more of a joy as the precision bearing surfaces make any and all movements silky smooth.

A lot of photographers state that there is no tension setting on either the pan or tilt action – WRONG!

To set the tension first lock the head then unlock, then just using light finger pressure turn the knobs back towards the lock position a bit at a time – you’ll soon find a tension that feels comfortable for the pan and tilt actions using this method.

To get the very best balance, firstly ensure that your tripod is set level, then lock the head in both directions and slide the lens mounting plate into the mount clamp and keeping the vertical part of the lens foot roughly on the centreline of the head, tighten the clamp screw.

Now holding the lens slacken the main tilt clamp – if you feel the lens is going to tip then you need to move the lens plate back or forward in the clamp to achieve a perfect horizontal balance.

Now comes the bit not everyone knows!

Tilt the camera skyward and let go – chances are the lens will slowly return to its horizontal position – the lens balance is still not fully optimised.

There is another adjustment that allows movement of the whole clamp assembly up and down the main tilt arm, if your lens returns to a level position then the whole setup needs moving UP the tilt arm a bit at a time until the lens stays exactly where you put it – the heavier the lens the higher up the tilt arm everything needs to be.

Fore and aft balance will need to be reset whenever you remove the lens from the head, but the vertical balance need never be adjusted again unless using more than one lens, or changing camera bodies.

You’ll notice below that I also use the head on my home-made ground pod as well.
Overall, the head scores 10 out of 10 in my book.

There is no other head on the market in my opinion that will secure big glass so well and yet allow it to be used with such grace and ease that photographer fatigue becomes a thing of the past.

It allows you to push the limits of your photography in terms of available light no bad thing here in the UK – and I now regard it as my standard head and use nothing else, save for macro and wide-angle work.

If you really want to get the very best out of your major investments you’ll be very hard-pressed to find anything else to wring the ‘nth’ degree out of your equipment and yourself.

Mounted on a substantial tripod like the Gitzo 1548 in conjunction with the Gitzo levelling base you have a big-glass support system that is without parallel.

Well worth every penny – the best is hardly ever cheap to buy but is ALWAYS cheap to own!


In simple terms it fits on a tripod and makes it very good for steady photos !!!! I think ?
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:33 PM
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Re: Gimbal Heads

I just Google everything - it saves time - but I guess there are some lazy people here lol

I did suggest he put a pic as well but I guess I could've done that ...
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:15 PM
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Re: Gimbal Heads

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I just purchased a Kirk Gimbal head and it is superb it handles my 600mm easily and is a doddle to set up and use i've tried a few gimbal heads over the years but this is the best i have tried
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Couldn't agree more. Works especially well with long heavy lenses. Anything smaller than about a 300mm f2.8 doesn't seem to allow the gimbal to work as smoothly, as the balance is affected. I've been using one for the last 3 years with 500mm and 800mm lenses on a D2X for surf photography. Panning is an absolute dream.
The Wimberely mentioned by Davy Crockett works on the same principle but method of lens attachment is slightly different.

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Old 05-10-2008, 08:56 PM
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Hi Davy
I should have thought to put a picture with the post sorry about that. But if you have a large telephoto lens this is a cracking bit of kit look on the warehouse express site they have pictures of different gimbal head designs
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I should have thought to put a picture with the post sorry about that. But if you have a large telephoto lens this is a cracking bit of kit look on the warehouse express site they have pictures of different gimbal head designs
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Thanks for the pointer on "Gimbals" i'll have a look. you learn somthing every day on WAB
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Old 06-10-2008, 06:03 PM
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I use a Manfrotto 393. £95 including mounting plate! I could never fork out £500 for the Wimberley. Don't know how much the Kirk is though I can't seem to find it on a UK website.
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Old 06-10-2008, 09:25 PM
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Hi again
Prices vary but about £330 plus plate, as i said i've tried most gimbal heads even the cheap indian copy of a wimberly thats advertised on ebay a friend bought one for the money it's pretty good but the kirk is superb with a canon 600mm i.s. I must admit i have'nt tried the new Wimberly but have heard some good reports about it.
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I have a Dietmar Nill Gimbal head. Superb German piece of equipment. More compact, better balanced & engineered than Wimberley, Kirk, Black Widow etc.. Comes with 3 included lens plates, to boot.
Shall i post a photo?
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I have'nt come across one of those so i would be interested in a picture or a link
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Re: Gimbal Heads







these are low re. shots of my Nikon D100/ Dietmar Nill Head on Gitzo 3531 Tripod.

Dietmar Nill is the website & wharehouse express sell it in the UK
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ooh! And my 400mm f2.8 AF-S IFED II Nikkor!

Its a performance getting photo's onto here, isnt it?
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It looks like a compact version of the Manfrotto 393 which I use myself.

DenisG Photography - Manfrotto 393 Tripod Head/Manfrotto 393 tripod head
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these are low re. shots of my Nikon D100/ Dietmar Nill Head on Gitzo 3531 Tripod.

Dietmar Nill is the website & wharehouse express sell it in the UK
yes about time we got a look at the strange and unknown "GIMBAL-HEAD" well unkown to me before i picked up on this thead. now i've clocked the picture i have seen this gadget before in fact every time i'm out birding but though it was just part of the tripod cheers BTS
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It looks like a compact version of the Manfrotto 393 which I use myself.

DenisG Photography - Manfrotto 393 Tripod Head/Manfrotto 393 tripod head
More accurately it is a lighter, stronger high quality product than the Manfrotto 393, I know, ive had the 393 previously.:
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More accurately it is a lighter, stronger high quality product than the Manfrotto 393, I know, ive had the 393 previously.:
Thats exactly what I'd say if I'd paid 5 times the price of a 393
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Hi all. Just ordered the 393. Never even heard of this one before this thread so thanks for the heads up. I'll let you know how I get on with it! Just can't stretch to £500.+

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Hi all. Just ordered the 393. Never even heard of this one before this thread so thanks for the heads up. I'll let you know how I get on with it! Just can't stretch to £500.+

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Of course I'm a bit biased because I own one but I did read every review I could find before making the purchase. They were all very positive. The 393 does the job that it was designed for and does it well. So IMO there's no need to spend the extra dosh on something more expensive.
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Hi guys
I did'nt want to start a game of one upmanship over gimbal heads just thought i would post a thread in case any one else was thinking on buying one. I tried the 393 and it's a decent head the same with the wimberly even the copy was good I just like the kirk more than the others. I try before i buy had the kirk for a week before i decided to buy one it pays to have photographic friends with good kit. It was the same with the canon 600mm i.s. I tried the 500mm i.s the Sigma 300-800mm ex and the canon 400mm 2.8 i.s before i settled on the 600mm i.s . If you make a living from photography like i do it always pays to get kit that feels right and besides it's tax deductable. At the end of the day if you like something enough it instills confidence and if you are confident you normally get better pictures
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