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23-10-2009, 11:14 AM
|  | Wild Member | | Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Essex
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| | | Wildlife Garden I have just bought my first house and now have the official move in date of the 2nd November. My first task is to sort out the garden, currently it is a very bare 'show' garden with little vegitation.
My initial plan of action is to plant a few trees and shrubs to attract birds and provide cover for them. Then i also plan to introduce a wildlife pond. But seeing as i'm completely new to gardening as living with my parents for my whole life i've never got involved in it so i have a few novice questions.
Firstly when is the best time to plant trees? I've heard about now is as good as any? Secondly which trees and plants are best to attract birds?
With the wildlife pond when would be the best time of year to start it? The winter? I've already got a shortlist of plants having read through numerous wildlife pond threads on here, i will also try to incorporate a bog of some sort. The plants i was thinking of are as follows
Water Starwort
Elodea Canadensis
Water Crowfoot
Yellow Flag Iris
Ragged Robin in the bog
Frogbit
Water Solidier
Does this seem acceptable?
Any suggestions or advice would be much appreciated.
Cheers
Paul
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23-10-2009, 01:22 PM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden Hi Paul, I think now is a good time to plant your trees/shrubs. However, if you want to plant bare-rooted specimens (which certainly seems to be the cheaper option) they will be more widely available in the next month or so. Your planting scheme should consider the type of soil (clay/loam/acid/alkaline (lime-rich) etc) and conditions (sunny/exposed/dry etc) that you have. Do you know? A picture of your site will help.
Suggestions: Pyracantha - flowers, berries, cover, nesting sites. Evergreen. Will survive most soils, but a waterlogged site is a definite no-no. Otherwise, this is one of my favourite plants for the wildlife garden with the added benefit that it is fast-growing. Hawthorn - has the added attraction that it is a native plant and supports around 150 insect species. Not evergreen, but really easy to grow. Guelder Rose - native and tolerant of moist soil with a high pH. Holly - native evergreen great for nesting birds and hibernating insects, and supports the gorgeous Holly Blue Butterfly Buddleja - the "butterfly bush". Not everybody's cup of tea, but "does exactly what it says on the tin".
You might want to plant something with a more open branch structure to hang feeders from and provide perches for birds, like a Silver Birch (which can provide a sunning focal point), Rowan or a cherry tree (Wild or Bird Cherries are good for wildlife gardens, I believe).
Any walls and fences can be made more wildlife friendly with trellis and climbers: Ivy - easily grown from specimens already native to your area by taking cuttings. The flowers later in the year provide food for Red Admirals and a whole variety of other insects. It's evergreen and provides shelter and nest sites for birds. Honeysuckle - flowers for moths followed by berries for birds. Bramble - supports a whole variety of insect species and excellent cover and berries for birds. Clematis (Traveller's Joy) - dense branches provide shelter for nesting birds. Very easy to grow from seed collected at this time of year and lime-tolerant.
Climbers provide almost instant height to a new/bare garden.
Best wishes with your new venture, and the move  !
Ash
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23-10-2009, 03:00 PM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden Thanks for your help Ashlee, i'll take some pictures of the garden once i'm in and post them here to help with any other tips. Again with the soil type i'll do some investigations once i'm in.
Looking forward to making the garden more wildlife friendly and seeing what i may be able to attract to the garden.
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23-10-2009, 03:21 PM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden 'Now' is definitely the best time to plant trees .. and shrubs, and pretty much most other plants .. Jeapsey. They can all be planted in early spring too, but I find that you end up having to keep too much of an eye on them in case they dry out. Planting at this time of year, while there is still a bit of warmth left in the soil, means they have the whole of the winter to settle in and start putting out roots without the need for constant watering. Don't leave it until it gets too far into winter though, otherwise they might lie dormant in cold, soggy soil!
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24-10-2009, 02:13 PM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden I suggest you don't start the pond until all of the leaves have fallen. Leaves will get in the pond eventually, but waiting until the leaves have fallen this year will at least mean it does not start off with leaves.
Others will know better, but it may be possible to get a pond at least partly filled with rain water if it was started in January.
You mention the Yellow flag - a great plant. We have one in pond, but it is going to have to be removed. It is close to 7 feet tall, measured from the bottom of the pond and despite it being in a very large planting basket it blows over very easily. However, your pond and location may mean you can accommodate it. | 
26-10-2009, 05:01 PM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden Thanks for all your help and suggestions, once i've moved in i'll put some garden dimensions and photos on here to help with suggestions plus show my progress.
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27-10-2009, 03:14 PM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeapesy Thanks for all your help and suggestions, once i've moved in i'll put some garden dimensions and photos on here to help with suggestions plus show my progress. | Great stuff, would love to see how your garden progresses, Jeapsey
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27-10-2009, 04:05 PM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden hi jeapesy
try to incorporate a cotoneaster of some sort--invaluable to blackbirds etc!
im sure the bbc website--and others--will be able to give you many ideas.
i get a good mixture of wildlife in my garden----mainly,i think, because i dont keep it too tidy-at any time of year | 
28-10-2009, 06:26 PM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden hi db, so your back, did you get my pm ? jus wondered incase your system isnt working, we all get gremlins in our computers at some time or other.
sorry to but in on your thread Jeapesy. | 
29-10-2009, 02:54 PM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden Lots of great advice for you on here. I would leave the garden for a year - that way you'll begin to understand what microclimates occur which will in turn lead you to decisions about the eventual design. It also gives you time to mull over different ideas rather than rushing into anything. You can always set up some bird feeders to tide you over for a year.
If you can't wait then I'd would definitely recommend some preliminary reading: Try Ken Thompson's book 'No Nettles Required' which debunks many of the myths about wildlife gardening. It's a very accessible book ( I read it in a couple of days) and its findings are based on the Biodiversity in Urban Gardens project that Thompson led at Sheffield University. I'd recommend it to anyone. I'd also really recommend read Rain Gardens by Nigel Dunnett and Andy Clayden also at Sheffield Uni which focuses on water but has masses of great ideas relevant to wildlife ... and no I'm not connected with Sheffield Uni in anyway  A good design book is probably worth a look too. Try one of John Brookes books.
Also, get yourself a tracing pad, map out the garden on one sheet then use overlays to design your garden - paths on one layer, trees on another and so on. It's important that the garden works for you as well as for wildlife. Don't worry if you don't have much to spend. If you are prepared to put in the work you can create something you'll be really proud of by a little planning and some scrounging of plants and materials from friends and family. There are also lots of cheaper and environmentally friendlier alternatives to some of the materials that you'll see in garden design books. Many nurseries sell trees in 'whip' form which are cheap as chips (literally) and will catch up with an expensive garden centre tree in 2 or 3 years.
Good luck with it and keep us informed on the forum | 
29-10-2009, 07:17 PM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden The Basic thing is to make sure of your compass points where the sun rises where it sets so your trees (for instance) dont screen the early morning sun or the pond but give the patio shade. Don't forget the Bats  A raised border with stone walls that will store heat and make a real hot spot for moths and butterflies
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30-10-2009, 10:44 AM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden Thanks to everyone for all the great advice, i'm getting really excited now. Only a couple more days then i get the keys to my first house beginning the long ascent up the property ladder.
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30-10-2009, 10:58 AM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden Great stuff, jeaps, good luck
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31-10-2009, 05:02 PM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden I would caution against planting Elodea canadensis. It can be very aggressive (  ) and might fill your pond up and not leave room for much else.
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31-10-2009, 07:01 PM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden You have lots of things to think about (as well as the garden), but I would try to get some idea of the soil type you have and the drainage of your garden. The comment about waiting a year is one I would have added, growing things means understanding what you have as a place to grow things. Best of luck with the new house, hope it all goes well.
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01-11-2009, 05:46 PM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden Quote:
Originally Posted by Meta menardi The comment about waiting a year is one I would have added, growing things means understanding what you have as a place to grow things. | Certainly it would be wise to wait before making large investments in time and cash, and in making difficult to change design decisions, but actually getting down to gardening is an important element of finding out what does or does not work. So experimenting with some cheap, easy to propogate 'favourite' plants is a good way forward. Researching the soil - doing ph tests, checking a gelogy map etc is sensible, but actually digging some holes and finding out how clayey, rocky, and deep a soil is, is also important - is it full of builders trash, has been lovingly nurtured by a previous occupant, is it the remnant of greenfield meadow ? - one can only find that out through practical gardening.
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11-11-2009, 12:35 PM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden Wow I'm so jealous! A new garden! We are waiting to sell our house so I can't really do anything in the garden at the moment apart from keep it 'tidy'.  sniff
Stuff in pots is always good - you can move them around, change them, have colour through the year while you discover the exciting things in your garden. You can always plant the stuff out in the garden later
I would also second the caution about E. canadensis (its listed as an invasive plant) therefore I would avoid if possible. I'd also recommend 'No Nettles Required' although I'm still tempted to have a big patch of them in full sun.
You can always feed the birds to bring some life into your new garden - make sure you do it regurlarly with good quality foods. (Although a word of warning - I found it can be quite expensive).
So much good luck to you in your new garden!
Oh, you can also have a 'tub' pond. I have one of those (I'm not allowed a real pond as the neighbours kids might fall in....hmmm). I have a small water lily in it which flowers from mid summer to early autumn. Plus the birds can drink out of it too. Theres some ramshorn snails in it, a leech or 2 (ewww) and some sort of daphne things.... I don't think its big enough for surface whizee things but its a temporary arrangement! | 
12-11-2009, 09:48 AM
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| | | Re: Wildlife Garden Hi guys thanks again for all the input.
I got the keys last monday but have been busy decorating and haven't had a chance to even start considering the garden yet. I have asked my ma for cuttings of certain plants from her garden to which she has agreed.
Can't wait to get started on the garden just need to get the inside sorted first so i can actually move in.
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