Gamekeeping

[Oscar2006]

Originally Posted by little-lloyd

Plus all my traps are checked 2wice a day and i DONT leave any animal to suffer and why would my traps be on anyone elses property? Plus if EVER EVER caught someone smashing my traps thel be smashed next

I never said it was your traps, but some people are not as bothered about killing birds in a nice way like you do! They prefer to let them suffer a lingering death!

I replied to another thread that you commented on and quoted: "think we should leave country people who countrythings.
I love widlife...and i feel the need to controll these birds, wonderfull as they are!"

My reply was due to a nearby shoot making illegal use of a Larsen trap and even had the cheek to put it on my brother-in-laws land. Do you think that smashing the trap was out of order? Some countryside people are complete Castlemaines and break any law they choose, when they choose as the chances of being caught are remote!

You wanted to know what our views are, so don't be surprised that a lot of people do not support what you do.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Oscar2006

My reply was due to a nearby shoot making illegal use of a Larsen trap and even had the cheek to put it on my brother-in-laws land. Do you think that smashing the trap was out of order? Some countryside people are complete Castlemaines and break any law they choose, when they choose as the chances of being caught are remote!

You wanted to know what our views are, so don't be surprised that a lot of people do not support what you do.

if its located without his permision on your brother land, then in the eyes of the law it has been dumped and he is entitled to take , smash or otherwise dispose of it

i think at the end of the day some people full stop are complete and utter ones - there are a fair few in towns who break the law and get away with it too.

[eeyore]

one other point on trap smashing - it is normal for the bait bird to have had its flight feathers clipped , therefore you are not doing it any favours by smashing the trap and releasing it into the environment as it wont be able to fly and will be very vulnerable to predators and starvation.

if you encounter a larsen , not on your own land, which you believe to be being used illegally contact the rspb or your police WLO - however 99.99% of these traps are in legal use. (possible examples of illegal use are species being targeted that are not covered by the general licence , and food and water not being provided to the captive birds and/or the trap not being checked on a regular basis.)

[almostnormal]

Originally Posted by eeyore

one other point on trap smashing - it is normal for the bait bird to have had its flight feathers clipped , therefore you are not doing it any favours by smashing the trap and releasing it into the environment as it wont be able to fly and will be very vulnerable to predators and starvation.

if you encounter a larsen , not on your own land, which you believe to be being used illegally contact the rspb or your police WLO - however 99.99% of these traps are in legal use. (possible examples of illegal use are species being targeted that are not covered by the general licence , and food and water not being provided to the captive birds and/or the trap not being checked on a regular basis.)

this is true, mostly the birds in legal and responsible larsen traps are well looked after, and tend to be moved around between trappers so that the birds being attracted to the traps don't get used to them. its a good system, but unfortunately an irresponsible minority abuse it, giving legit trappers a bad name.

[Kymba]

This sort of Thread will always get peoples backs up and cause rows, because those for it and against it will never agree no matter what..
Personally i am against any Killing that is for pleasure or no real reason ( I was born and grew up in the country).
If you want to Hunt foxes or what ever then do it on foot with out using traps and Dogs, Then see who comes out on top!!
I do realise there is a need for culling, but it doesn't mean i have to agree with it or like it
What i do think is totally out of order is the Killing of the magpies, to protect birds that are going to be shot and killed (for Fun)..

But I also agree that some Gamekeepers, estate managers etc are also lovers of wildlife and the countryside.... Some are just hypercrites.. But that isn't aimed at anyone in particular and I am not making a dig at anyone...

Every animal, Bird, Insect has the right to life...Just like us!

[Gill Catton]

Originally Posted by Kymba

This sort of Thread will always get peoples backs up and cause rows, because those for it and against it will never agree no matter what..
Personally i am against any Killing that is for pleasure or no real reason ( I was born and grew up in the country).
If you want to Hunt foxes or what ever then do it on foot with out using traps and Dogs, Then see who comes out on top!!
I do realise there is a need for culling, but it doesn't mean i have to agree with it or like it
What i do think is totally out of order is the Killing of the magpies, to protect birds that are going to be shot and killed (for Fun)..

But I also agree that some Gamekeepers, estate managers etc are also lovers of wildlife and the countryside.... Some are just hypercrites.. But that isn't aimed at anyone in particular and I am not making a dig at anyone...

Every animal, Bird, Insect has the right to life...Just like us!

Well agreed the pheasants are going to be killed for fun and that is a little distasteful, but then they will be eaten and at least then are free range animals who've had a better life than most chickens (or they oooo well should be if you ask me I can't stand wasted life). I do eat meat but I far prefer to eat meat from an animal that has had a happy life and hasn't been inbred to the point that it can no longer bear the weight of its body on its own legs....

Those who shoot 150 snipe and then bury them or burn them they are the ones I have a problem with. So wrong on so many fronts

[matt_xyz]

Originally Posted by Gill Catton

Well agreed the pheasants are going to be killed for fun and that is a little distasteful, but then they will be eaten and at least then are free range animals who've had a better life than most chickens (or they oooo well should be if you ask me I can't stand wasted life). I do eat meat but I far prefer to eat meat from an animal that has had a happy life and hasn't been inbred to the point that it can no longer bear the weight of its body on its own legs....

Those who shoot 150 snipe and then bury them or burn them they are the ones I have a problem with. So wrong on so many fronts

I wonder what proportion of game that is shot end up being eaten? I don't know the answer, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was quite low (I've also heard anecdotes about birds being dumped or buried).

Matt

[Gill Catton]

Originally Posted by matt_xyz

I wonder what proportion of game that is shot end up being eaten? I don't know the answer, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was quite low (I've also heard anecdotes about birds being dumped or buried).

Matt

Not sure it probably depends on what part of the country you're in, I know of friends who regularly get given a brace of pheasants, so I think quite a bit does just get given away, and from ones I have been working near a little trolly gets towed behind what is presumably the keeper's 4x4 with braces of pheasants neatly hung up in rows, if they were to be dumped presumably they wouldn't bother. There's a farm shop near me that sells plucked birds from shoots too with a warning on the label that the bird may contain shot

I would imagine its the smaller birds with not a lot of meat on them - probably mostly snipe and woodcock that have migrated here for the winter - presumable migration reslts in a skinnier bird - that just get discarded which to me is just awful.

[ChrisJB]

As an omnivore, to discard a Woodcock, even a scrawny one, would be such a waste. They are well tasty.

Regards, Chris

[little-lloyd]

What a waste to dump something so tasty!

I think your find the only ones what are dumped are the ones too damaged for human consumtion! Where as if that was the case what about ferret food? I feed all the messed up stuff to the ferrets so nothing goes to waste.

Compare th Pheasant shot from the woods to the chicken living 40 days in dark shed with 1,ooos of others.

Compare the stag living free on the hill shot by a stalker to the castrated bullock being driven 100s of miles to its waiting death.

Compare the Salmon caught by the angler to the thousands of fish caught in nets gutted whilst still alive!