Two more to ID, please

[IanP]

Seen at Norton Perrow Arboretum, so may be garden escapees.

The first looks like Dove's-foot Crane's Bill:



The second, I feel I should know it from previous postings, but I can't find an obvious candidate:



Thanks,

Ian

[Johnny81]

First looks more like Hedgerow cranesbill Geranium pyrenaicum
Second I think is a Salvia species - but I can't take it down to a species level - Dorts or one of the others may be of more help here.

[Dorts]

I agree with John, 1. is Hedgerow Cranesbill; Dove'sfoot C. has leaves cut to at least half-way.
The 2nd. is a Salvia, probably Meadow Clary - Salvia pratensis, a rare native, though this plant is almost certainly of of garden origin.
Dorts.

[IanP]

Brilliant! Thank you both.

Having looked them up, the only query I have is that the flowering peiod for both should be well past.

Cheers,

Ian

[Dorts]

In my experience Ian, Hedgerow Cranesbill can go on flowering until the frost's. The Clary could well be a second flowering.
Dorts.

[IanP]

Hi again, Dorts.

Thanks for that. I must learn to be a bit more sceptical of reference entries.