More Marsh Orchids (sorry!) plus a few other bits...

[broadbill]

Visited another fen in North Hampshire at the weekend, where I took the following pics, could do with some help sorting them out again! I wondered if any of the following three might be Pugsleys? The first two looked potentially good with the purplish colouration to the stems and bold markings extending across the lip?



Would also welcome comments on the following three shots. The first with a purplish stem again but flowers not quite so boldly marked. The second I wont even hazard a guess! The third I even wondered if it might be Early Marsh with the solid line on the lip and quite vertical lateral sepals, but there are a few spots on the central lobe...



Also I'm fairly happy these are Marsh Fragrants given the habitat and broad lip but just thought I'd get some more knowledgable opinions...



Also from a drier spot in Hants, could you confirm if this is Clustered Bellflower?



And finally a couple of shots of these stunners that I really enjoyed and didn't struggle too much with in terms of ID!



Sorry for the long post - thanks for your advice!

Chris.

[Dorts]

Chris, I imagine the 'Narrow-leaved Marsh Orchids' were from a site not far East of Basingstoke? That being the case, a site I know well, I have something to go on.
The recent history of Dactyorhiza traunsteinerioides (Narrow-leaved Marsh Orchid) at this site is a bit 'up-and-down'. I visited the site with Francis Rose a few years ago to see if any 'pure' plants still survived. Our conclusion was that on that visit, all plants of interest were hybrids with Common Spotted Orchids, (one of the few places in Britain where this hybrid can be found).
Over the last few years there have been claims that 'pure' plants have been found and this is always possible, I have seen them there myself,but that was over 30 years ago.

Your plants are exactly as those that Francis Rose and I found: very close to Narrow-leaved, (Pugsleys) Marsh Orchid, but not quite, some being closer than others.
Sorry Chris, but that's the way it is I'm afraid. Some of your plants are tantalizingly close but still have that hint of Common Spotted in them.

Your Fragrant is definitely Marsh Fragrant, (lip broader than long); from just down the road? And your Burnt-tip's are superb.
Some great plants from N. Hants, which I do miss.
Thanks for that.
Dorts.

[broadbill]

Thanks Dorts. Yes you surmise correctly re. the site. The Marsh Fragrants were here also....

Fascinating re. the 'Narrow Leaved Marsh's! Certainly a challenge for a novice like me to ID correctly.

If anyone has a site where either 'pure' Narrow Leaved or Early Marsh are still flowering anywhere between East Anglia or Hants that they are willing to share can they PM me! If not I'll have to wait till next year to get to grips with them properly....

Thanks

Chris.

[Dorts]

Chris, I have a site in Oxfordshire for Narrow-leaved Marsh, quite reliable. I can PM you details if it's of any use to you.
Bit late for this year though I would think.
Dorts.

[broadbill]

That would be great Dorts thanks, I've just PM'd you....

[treecreeper]

Originally Posted by Dorts

The recent history of Dactyorhiza traunsteinerioides (Narrow-leaved Marsh Orchid) at this site is a bit 'up-and-down'. I visited the site with Francis Rose a few years ago to see if any 'pure' plants still survived. Our conclusion was that on that visit, all plants of interest were hybrids with Common Spotted Orchids, (one of the few places in Britain where this hybrid can be found).

Good company for a botanical outing

[Dorts]

Originally Posted by treecreeper

Good company for a botanical outing

Francis Rose lived in the next village to me and as he didn't drive we would often go on trips together. He was lovely company and never stopped talking! But it was quite acceptable because he would re-count the finding, or locations of, rare plants, or perhaps the dealings with other well known botanists etc..
Great stories, just wish I'd had a tape-recorder with me!
Dorts.

[leifus]

those burnt orchids are stunning. I presume they're var. aestivalis?

[broadbill]

Yes 'aestivalis'. Thanks to Mike 'The Young Hunter' for the helpful advice...

Agreed they are stunning plants! - The prettiest orchid so far according to my girlfriend!

Can anybody confirm the Campanula in my above post? Clustered Bellflower?

Chris.

[leifus]

Originally Posted by broadbill

Yes 'aestivalis'. Thanks to Mike 'The Young Hunter' for the helpful advice...

Agreed they are stunning plants! - The prettiest orchid so far according to my girlfriend!

Can anybody confirm the Campanula in my above post? Clustered Bellflower?

Chris.

haha, I can't wait to see them!

You are correct with the clustered bellflower