Three for ID please

[tigertom]

Hi found these three growing close to estury today I know one of them is a vetch of some sort, but can find it or the other two in my not so good book some help please
Thank you
MIKE









One and two are the same plant
Thanks again MIKE

[Dorts]

Mike. the first plant is Viper's Bugloss - Echium vulgare.
And the second is Crown Vetch - Securigera varia, which is not at all common. Not native, but naturalised in a few places.Great find!
Dorts.

[tigertom]

Thanks Dorts only one thing, I have what I was told is crown vetch in my garden looks some what like the vetch I saw today but flowers did not look quite the same, did say to the mate I was with today looks a bit like crown vetch but did not think it was
MIKE
Think I will have to post the one in my garden as well,

[Dorts]

Originally Posted by tigertom

Thanks Dorts only one thing, I have what I was told is crown vetch in my garden looks some what like the vetch I saw today but flowers did not look quite the same, did say to the mate I was with today looks a bit like crown vetch but did not think it was
MIKE
Think I will have to post the one in my garden as well,

Mike, if it's not Crown Vetch then I'm stumped. Can't think what else it could be. It's possible it could be some other alien Vetch I suppose, but can't think what.
Plants in a garden environment can look very different to ones 'struggling' in the wild.
Dorts.

[tigertom]

Originally Posted by Dorts

Mike, if it's not Crown Vetch then I'm stumped. Can't think what else it could be. It's possible it could be some other alien Vetch I suppose, but can't think what.
Plants in a garden environment can look very different to ones 'struggling' in the wild.
Dorts.

I will post a pic of the one in my garden 2 moro not that different so may well be the same as you say those in a garden can look different to them in the wild. And witch one was vipers bugloss please, in the 3rd pic down flowers look some what like 1st two pics but leaves are very different to those on 1st two
Thank you
MIKE

[Hedera]

I think the other bugloss is Purple bugloss with soft hairy leaves -E. plantagineum. It has only two stamens protruding from the flower, whereas the other has 4.

[tigertom]

Thanks for that hedera. and dorts have had a look at the crown vetch in my garden and yes the one I posted yesterday is crown vetch<whet i noticed with one in garden is were it was 1st planted it dos look a bit different yet were it has spread by runners a long side of fence by the pond and to out side my garden is the same as that what I found in the wild yesterday.
Can not believe it have posted some thing for id and have it in the garden and know what it is
MIKE

[aeshna5]

Originally Posted by Hedera

I think the other bugloss is Purple bugloss with soft hairy leaves -E. plantagineum. It has only two stamens protruding from the flower, whereas the other has 4.

This is an incredibly rare flower in the UK found in Cornwall, though widespread in the Mediterranean + a pestilential weed in parts of Australia (Patterson's curse).

All three top photos show E. vulgare.

Agree with Dorts about the last being Crown Vetch.

[Dorts]

Purple Viper's-bugloss - Echium plantaginium is a Red Data Book species and only considered to be native in a few fields near St.Just in Cornwall.
But it is frequently grown by horticulturalist's and often escapes. As its name suggests, its flowers are purple.
Dorts.

[tigertom]

Originally Posted by aeshna5

This is an incredibly rare flower in the UK found in Cornwall, though widespread in the Mediterranean + a pestilential weed in parts of Australia (Patterson's curse).

All three top photos show E. vulgare.

Agree with Dorts about the last being Crown Vetch.

Hi am little confused hear the top 2 were pics of same plant but the one in the 3rd pic flowers look the same but are leaves different can e.vulgara have different leaves on different plants I have made some adjustments to pics to show leaves better and are shown below.
ThanksMIKE