Datura

[wildherbalian85]

Can anybody help I.D these.

The first was an impressive sized bush around 4ft in hight growing in a church's front hedge next to the carpark.



The second was a small shrub growing on a very small patch of disused ground at a train station lol.....





you can even see the concrete and fag buts mixed in with it.

[the naturelover]

I'm 99% sure the first is an angels trumpet datura alba now called brugmansia alba. i have grown many types of these for years they are not hardy and have huge single or double flowers and most smell divine. they cost an arm and a leg to buy and are chewed up by all sorts of aphid. regards tn

[Dorts]

1. looks like one of the Datura's now available for the garden, and as 'Naturelover' suggests, it could be D. alba, though that generally is white.

The second plant is Thorn Apple - Datura stramonium, long established in Britain and often popping up unexpectedly.
All Daturas are very poisonous.
Dorts.

[wildherbalian85]

Originally Posted by the naturelover

I'm 99% sure the first is an angels trumpet datura alba now called brugmansia alba. i have grown many types of these for years they are not hardy and have huge single or double flowers and most smell divine. they cost an arm and a leg to buy and are chewed up by all sorts of aphid. regards tn

I know that they have been grown in the front garden area of this church for many years, each autumn i think they cut the shrubs back so there is just a stump left in the ground.

i was originaly thinking it might have been Datura innoxia but i will look into this datura alba.

I don't know why they changed it from Datura to Brugmansia, Brugmansia's are more tree like.

[wildherbalian85]

Originally Posted by Dorts

1. looks like one of the Datura's now available for the garden, and as 'Naturelover' suggests, it could be D. alba, though that generally is white.

The second plant is Thorn Apple - Datura stramonium, long established in Britain and often popping up unexpectedly.
All Daturas are very poisonous.
Dorts.

Ah the old Jimson weed itself, how strange though of it to pop up at a train station. Thank you Dorts.

[Tiggrx]

Datura innoxia and D. metel (syn. D. alba) can be distinguished by the hairiness of the plant. D. innoxia is densely velvety hairy with a few glandular hairs while D. metel is hairless or sparsely hairy with no glandular hairs.

[wildherbalian85]

Originally Posted by Tiggrx

Datura innoxia and D. metel (syn. D. alba) can be distinguished by the hairiness of the plant. D. innoxia is densely velvety hairy with a few glandular hairs while D. metel is hairless or sparsely hairy with no glandular hairs.

Purley going on what you have said then this would be Datura innoxia, it has very furry feeling leaves. Of course it might not be either.



i zoomed in on the original picture to see what hairs i could see, unfortunatly the leaves are not so obvious but the stems you can see hair on.