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07-06-2009, 09:27 AM
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| | | Escapes for ID I'd greatly appreciate some help with these garden escapes, because so far they've defied my best efforts 1: This climber was scrambling up the side of an old barn on a common; I've absolutely no idea what it is 2: I think this is a brachyscome, but I haven't been able to narrow it down any further 3: I came across these Mimulus plants a couple of times, firstly at the side of a village stream and then as pavement-crack weeds. I've assumed they're both the same species, but of course I might be wrong; the yellow and red-flowered forms grew next to each other at both sites 4: This bush, probably a relic of a long-abandoned planting, was on waste ground next to a river. Obviously a lilac, but which one? There seem to be quite a few species & hybrids grown, and I haven't been able to find usable photos for comparison of most of them... 5: Some kind of daisy, obviously; a pavement-crack weed. Possibly a Gaillardia? 6: I can't make my mind up whether this is False Buck's-beard, Astilbe japonica, or Red False Buck's-beard (A. x arendsii) 7: This woody plant had seeded itself on an old church wall, probably from the garden across the road, and I haven't a clue what it could be. Only in bud, unfortunately, which doesn't exactly help... 8: An Elaeagnus bush, but I'm not sure which one - they're a more confusing bunch than I'd thought... 9: Does anyone have any idea what species of cranesbill this is? I've never come across it before, even in gardens.
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07-06-2009, 05:51 PM
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| | | Re: Escapes for ID 1 Actinidia chinensis- kiwi fruit!
5 South African Gazania rigens
7 A poppy- Californian Tree Poppy, Romneya coulteri | 
07-06-2009, 07:35 PM
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| | | Re: Escapes for ID No. 9 could be Druce's Crane's-bill - Geranium x oxonianum
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07-06-2009, 07:59 PM
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| | | Re: Escapes for ID The yellow Mimulus could be Monkeyflower | 
07-06-2009, 08:17 PM
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| | | Re: Escapes for ID Quote:
Originally Posted by KeenTeen17 The yellow Mimulus could be Monkeyflower | I think there are actually two species involved there - if you look, the plant by the stream & the ones in the pavement-cracks have totally different leaves.
I think the streamside one (which also had a red-flowered form, by the way) is Mimulus x hybridus, a cross between M. cupreus & M. smithii according to the BSBI database. The other, I'm still working on | 
07-06-2009, 08:30 PM
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| | | Re: Escapes for ID Quote:
Originally Posted by davidbr I think there are actually two species involved there - if you look, the plant by the stream & the ones in the pavement-cracks have totally different leaves. | Scrap that - I've just realised I'm being an idiot, and the "leaves" I was looking at on the pavement plants belong to a Hoary Willowherb seedling, not the mimulus | 
08-06-2009, 01:14 AM
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| | | Re: Escapes for ID Quote:
Originally Posted by pleb No. 9 could be Druce's Crane's-bill - Geranium x oxonianum | Having checked a lot of images, it's turned out to be Geranium asphodeloides - a South European plant, apparently, which according to the BSBI database has only been recorded twice in the UK prior to 1999. This one was obviously a garden escape, and there were several other unusual escapes in the same area, but it's obviously not grown very often
I've also decided the Mimulus plants are Mimulus x hybridus, "Annual Monkeyflower" (that seems to be the species commonly grown as a garden bedding plant), and No. 6 is Red False-buck's-beard, Astilbe x arendsii - the colour of the flowers is a bit of a giveway, really; apparently A. japonica is white to pale pink | 
08-06-2009, 03:51 PM
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| | | Re: Escapes for ID Quote:
Originally Posted by aeshna5 1 Actinidia chinensis- kiwi fruit!
5 South African Gazania rigens
7 A poppy- Californian Tree Poppy, Romneya coulteri | Gazania rigens & Romneya coulteri seem to match - great work on the latter, I really thought I was flogging a dead horse with that one and wasn't expecting anyone to be able to ID it
Are you sure No. 1 is a kiwi fruit, though? It's not on the BSBI database and I can't find any good images online; you're probably right, but it just seems a very unlikely plant to be naturalised in south Somerset | 
08-06-2009, 05:09 PM
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| | | Re: Escapes for ID Quote:
Originally Posted by davidbr Gazania rigens & Romneya coulteri seem to match - great work on the latter, I really thought I was flogging a dead horse with that one and wasn't expecting anyone to be able to ID it
Are you sure No. 1 is a kiwi fruit, though? It's not on the BSBI database and I can't find any good images online; you're probably right, but it just seems a very unlikely plant to be naturalised in south Somerset  | I'm confident it's an Actinidia, but there may be hybrids/closely related species that look similar. We used to have one at a place I used to work + yielded small Kiwi fruits in the autumn. A fast growing climber. | 
09-06-2009, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by aeshna5 I'm confident it's an Actinidia, but there may be hybrids/closely related species that look similar. We used to have one at a place I used to work + yielded small Kiwi fruits in the autumn. A fast growing climber. | Apparently, the plant grown commercially as Kiwi Fruit is actually Actinidia deliciosa, although A. chinensis also seems to be grown as a garden plant.
Like you say, it definitely seems to be an Actinidia - the flower colour & shape of the leaves, though, does look closer to A. deliciosa - neither are listed on the BSBI's database (even though they've got various Citrus fruits, for example...  ) but I'm 99.99% confident this one wasn't planted. It was on the edge of a village (Ash Priors, south Somerset, next to the "rhubarb" pond on the common) and so must have self-sown from somewhere
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