A pair of shrubs for ID

[davidbr]

I'm not sure whether this one is Wrinkled Viburnum, V. rhytidophyllum, or its garden hybrid, Viburnum x rhytidophylloides; originally I'd put it down as V. rhytidophyllum, but the shape of the leaves and the location (it was self-seeded into a town flowerbed) has swayed me increasingly in favour of the hybrid - opinions would be welcome, please



This one looks to be some kind of holly, but it's not one I've ever come across before!

[davidbr]

The holly-like shrub seems to be a hybrid, Ilex x attenuata, which doesn't have a universal common name (or at least, not one that I've been able to find...) - each cultivar's named differently and I don't have a clue which one this is