Confirmation, and I.D please

wildherbalian85 · #1 (**permalink**) 26-07-2008, 05:37 PM

Some may remember a couple of weeks ago i was seeking an I.D of a plant that was growing in amongst a patch of henbane and unfortunately no definitive identification was made. Today i ventured back to the location to see how things were growing... i have taken a few more pictures of the plant in question. As you will see it is now in flower and so too is the henbane which to my surprise appears to be of the biennial type (rather late to be coming into flower).... "Common Fumitory" was mentioned but later dismissed by members, but having gone back and seen it in flower i believe that it is probably Common Fumitory

the plant with the henbane.....

the plant...

This other plant i noticed.. when i was climbing under railings to get to a henbane plant in a rather odd place, upon dipping under the bar my nose happened to pass close to this plant and i noticed a rather pleasant "fruity" smell but i have no idea what it is...

regards to the henbane plant it was growing from the cracks in the concreate slab floor of this animal pen....

... it must have been using the mixture of rotting straw and manure for its nutrients, it was about 25cm in hight.

Pete Collins · #2 (**permalink**) 26-07-2008, 05:51 PM

Not sure about the Fumitory. The other plant (with the black blotches on the leaves) is Redshank.

Pete

djackso · #3 (**permalink**) 26-07-2008, 05:53 PM

The fruity plant appears to be Persicaria maculosa.

wildherbalian85 · #4 (**permalink**) 26-07-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Collins

Not sure about the Fumitory. The other plant (with the black blotches on the leaves) is Redshank.

Pete

Thanks for the I.D on the redshank "plant"

Here is a picture of a fumitory flower (for comparison) pinched from google - mine ended up a little blured though...

wildherbalian85 · #5 (**permalink**) 26-07-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by djackso

The fruity plant appears to be Persicaria maculosa.

thanks

djackso · #6 (**permalink**) 26-07-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wildherbalian85

Here is a picture of a fumitory flower (for comparison) pinched from google - mine ended up a little blured though...

Mmmm - looks different - the leaves seem all wrong, although the flowers are similar.

wildherbalian85 · #7 (**permalink**) 26-07-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by djackso

Mmmm - looks different - the leaves seem all wrong, although the flowers are similar.

I see what you mean, yes the flowers are very similar in appearance but the leaves don't match

Prohaps it's of the Fumitory family just not common fumitory??

djackso · #8 (**permalink**) 26-07-2008, 07:21 PM

I agree - but I can't find any pictures of a similar plant on the web. There are around 50 species of Fumaria Worldwide. And similar plants that aren't in this genus. I guess it could be one of those.

JennyS · #9 (**permalink**) 26-07-2008, 07:43 PM

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I see what you mean, yes the flowers are very similar in appearance but the leaves don't match

No, they wouldn't! The flower is a Fumitory, the leaves I'm sure were ID-ed in that previous post - Phacelia.

djackso · #10 (**permalink**) 26-07-2008, 07:55 PM

Cheers - phew - that WAS confusing me.

wildherbalian85 · #11 (**permalink**) 26-07-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JennyS

No, they wouldn't! The flower is a Fumitory, the leaves I'm sure were ID-ed in that previous post - Phacelia.

Phacelia was mentioned by you as a "could it" not a definite, doubt was cast onto as it should be flowering, this is already the case in the north east of england (of all places), perhaps with our warmer dryer climate down here its just taking its time

. I have study the pictures including the one's i have not uploaded and yes there is fumitory leaves visible especially in this photo....

thanks for the conformation by the way on the fumitory, and scorpion

leifus · #12 (**permalink**) 27-07-2008, 07:48 AM

definately a fumitory but i wouldn't say common or common ramping...

AlanS · #13 (**permalink**) 28-07-2008, 03:13 AM

I have not seen the earlier fumitory discussion, but after downloading the photograph and doing some pretty severe enlarging/sharpening in Photoshop I think I can see enough of a sepal to nail this as Fumaria muralis ssp. boraei (Boreau's Fumitory or so-called Common Ramping Fumitory).

There are reasons to eliminate most other fumitories and so there isn't really much else it can be.

Alan

leifus · #14 (**permalink**) 28-07-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AlanS

I have not seen the earlier fumitory discussion, but after downloading the photograph and doing some pretty severe enlarging/sharpening in Photoshop I think I can see enough of a sepal to nail this as Fumaria muralis ssp. boraei (Boreau's Fumitory or so-called Common Ramping Fumitory).

There are reasons to eliminate most other fumitories and so there isn't really much else it can be.

Alan

ok there's my theory down the drain then