My first wildflower ....

whis4ey · #1 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 12:18 PM

....... to appear in my newly sown wildflower meadow
Anybody know what it is? Is it St John's Wort?
It is in a damp area of the meadow if that is any help

Jez · #2 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 01:14 PM

Looks like Charlock to me

Lance Morgan · #3 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 01:27 PM

Charlock yes

leifus · #4 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 07:13 PM

Yes, charlock

whis4ey · #5 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 07:45 PM

Charlock has been queried
Rape has been suggested??

Jez · #6 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 07:47 PM

Not the right time of year for rape really but the right time for Charlock

IanS · #7 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 08:40 PM

That isnt oilseed rape. Too hairy for one thing. Id go with charlock too...

whis4ey · #8 (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 03:58 PM

I have had a look at a pic of Charlock on the net
Charlock - Weed information - Organic Weed Management
The leaf on my plant is nothing like the leaf of that plant. You can see that Charlock has a deeply indented leaf whereas my plants leaf (as can be seen on the pic) is smooth

Jez · #9 (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 08:25 PM

I would like to see in any case what opinions aeshna5, triggrx, jennyS and Bub-les have on the plant in question Sam.

aeshna5 · #10 (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 08:42 PM

Charlock is a very variable plant. The photo isn't that detailed, but does appear to show spreading sepals which would be a feature of Charlock + the leaves look ok for it. I think that's what it is!

Bub-les · #11 (**permalink**) 10-07-2008, 08:55 PM

I agree with aeshna5 and say its charlock
Barbara

leifus · #12 (**permalink**) 11-07-2008, 06:56 PM

oh yeah

Bub-les · #13 (**permalink**) 11-07-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by leifus

oh yeah

oh and everybody else

especially Jez, IanS, Lance, and err leifus

: )

Barbara

whis4ey · #14 (**permalink**) 16-07-2008, 06:17 PM

hehehe

I see that the specialists seem to be in agreement

This is a close up of the flowers
AND ... by the way ... I have my first field poppies appearing although they are not yet in bloom

whis4ey · #15 (**permalink**) 20-07-2008, 02:22 PM

The meadow is beginning to green up well now, and quite a few new flowers are appearing
Here is a new pic of this one. It is only about 6 inches high but does not tie in with any description i can find of Charlock. Neither does it fit in with any of the named seeds I sowed in my seed mix

Also a few of the other newcomers. Recognise any of them?

leifus · #16 (**permalink**) 20-07-2008, 03:53 PM

1 redshank
2 hairy bittercress (if the stem is hairy then it will be wavy bittercress)
3 red dead nettle
4 charlock
5 ???????
6 redshank

whis4ey · #17 (**permalink**) 20-07-2008, 04:28 PM

I know 5 is a field poppy yet to flower

leifus · #18 (**permalink**) 20-07-2008, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by whis4ey

I know 5 is a field poppy yet to flower

i see

tameblackbirds · #19 (**permalink**) 20-07-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by whis4ey

....... to appear in my newly sown wildflower meadow
Anybody know what it is? Is it St John's Wort?
It is in a damp area of the meadow if that is any help

I also thought Charlock but it isnt bristly enough do see it growing in lots of places thought it might be of the cabbages but not sure. sorry but well done plantin wild meadow

aeshna5 · #20 (**permalink**) 20-07-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by whis4ey

I know 5 is a field poppy yet to flower

I disagree. I would say Corn Marigold- possibly the only plant here from your seed mix, the rest will almost certainly be from the seed bank as ubiquitous ruderals.

tameblackbirds · #21 (**permalink**) 20-07-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aeshna5

I disagree. I would say Corn Marigold- possibly the only plant here from your seed mix, the rest will almost certainly be from the seed bank as ubiquitous ruderals.

corn marrigold has more than four petals and lobed leaves nothing like original id photo

aeshna5 · #22 (**permalink**) 20-07-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tameblackbirds

corn marrigold has more than four petals and lobed leaves nothing like original id photo

No 5 doesn't have a flower, so you can't see how many petals there will be. As a composite I'm well aware that Corn Marigold has more than 4 petals (strictly not petals)!! It's not the same plant as the original ID, which is Charlock!

whis4ey · #23 (**permalink**) 20-07-2008, 08:25 PM

Would you remove any of them as being too vigorous and detrimental to those still to appear?

tameblackbirds · #24 (**permalink**) 21-07-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by aeshna5

No 5 doesn't have a flower, so you can't see how many petals there will be. As a composite I'm well aware that Corn Marigold has more than 4 petals (strictly not petals)!! It's not the same plant as the original ID, which is Charlock!

Whoops sorry... I was mistaking the first photo one identified as Charlock sorry new at this and perhaps I could do with some better ID reference books Didn't mean to offend anyone

whis4ey · #25 (**permalink**) 21-07-2008, 04:27 PM

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I disagree. I would say Corn Marigold- possibly the only plant here from your seed mix, the rest will almost certainly be from the seed bank as ubiquitous ruderals.

Thanks. It will be possible to confirm your idea (or indeed mine

) in a few weeks time, and I will be sure to post a pic
If you are right you will go right to the top of the class with a big bag of sweeties

Tameblackbirds ... I am sure no-one has been offended, and it was obvious that you had simply made a mistake with the pic being talked about

I am finding it extremely difficult to identify these wild flowers, as, like you, I am new to the game. I have a good book and the internet is a valuable resource. We also have the benefit of participants on this forum who have had lots of experience. We can live and learn together