Help With Plant ID - Yorkshire Dales

[Binocularface]

Hi,

Help needed please on the following plants - pics taken today in the Yorkshire dales.

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Regards
B

[RobSutton]

Have you any details of whereabouts in the Dales you were and what sort of habitat?

[djackso]

5) looks like Equisetum palustre.

[Binocularface]

Originally Posted by RobSutton

Have you any details of whereabouts in the Dales you were and what sort of habitat?

The habitat for them all was upland limestone. 1-5 were on the rocky sides of a beck. And 6-8 were in a damp area of limestone. The area for images 1-5 was Langstrothdale, the area for images 68 was the Ribble valley.

[Binocularface]

Originally Posted by djackso

5) looks like Equisetum palustre.

Thanks for this - just trying to get my head around this group!

[djackso]

The first three look like Sedum or stonecrop.

[Binocularface]

Originally Posted by djackso

The first three look like Sedum or stonecrop.

Thanks for this - Sedum dasyphyllum has been suggested to me, but I was not sure how to rule out Sedum villosum.

[RobSutton]

I was thinking about Sedum villosum for 6,7 & 8 - I think the 6th petal in number 6 is just abberant there seem to be only 5 stigma.

I wondered about one of the odd saxifrages for number 1-3. It almost looks like a dwarf version of London Pride. There's a thing called Pyrenean Saxifrage that occurs in Heselden Gill that looks vaguely similar in the books. I've never actually seen it myself so it's only a wild guess really.

[djackso]

I've seen a pic of Saxifraga apiculata that looks very much like one of your plants.

You could try Googling this one, but I think it's a cultivated plant.

[Binocularface]

Originally Posted by RobSutton

I was thinking about Sedum villosum for 6,7 & 8 - I think the 6th petal in number 6 is just abberant there seem to be only 5 stigma.

I wondered about one of the odd saxifrages for number 1-3. It almost looks like a dwarf version of London Pride. There's a thing called Pyrenean Saxifrage that occurs in Heselden Gill that looks vaguely similar in the books. I've never actually seen it myself so it's only a wild guess really.

Thanks for this - I think you are right with Sedum villosum. However I am not sure about the apparent saxifrage.

[Binocularface]

Originally Posted by djackso

I've seen a pic of Saxifraga apiculata that looks very much like one of your plants.

You could try Googling this one, but I think it's a cultivated plant.

I think we are getting closer . The leaf rosettes seem to be very similar at least.

[Binocularface]

Originally Posted by Binocularface

I think we are getting closer . The leaf rosettes seem to be very similar at least.

It seems that the Saxifrage is Saxifraga paniculata!

[djackso]

Ahh - I didn't have a picture of that one - thanks for the info!!

So you are just left with the leaf to id?

[Binocularface]

Originally Posted by djackso

Ahh - I didn't have a picture of that one - thanks for the info!!

So you are just left with the leaf to id?

Pretty much so, the leaves appear to be diognostic. Looking through Stace there are aspects of the flower that helps narrow it down to a few species.

For example:

a) Petals white to cream
b) Flowers actinomorphic
c) Ovary partly inferior (sepals arising from its side or top)
d) Leaves all in basal rosette

These three couplets narrows identification down to Saxifraga paniculata or Saxifraga nivalis. The actual structure of the leaves clinch the identification.

[djackso]

Originally Posted by Binocularface

Pretty much so, the leaves appear to be diognostic. Looking through Stace there are aspects of the flower that helps narrow it down to a few species.

For example:

a) Petals white to cream
b) Flowers actinomorphic
c) Ovary partly inferior (sepals arising from its side or top)
d) Leaves all in basal rosette

These three couplets narrows identification down to Saxifraga paniculata or Saxifraga nivalis. The actual structure of the leaves clinch the identification.

Thanks for that.

You have just one more to id - a leaf growing next to a stream?

[Binocularface]

Originally Posted by djackso

Thanks for that.

You have just one more to id - a leaf growing next to a stream?

Which is a perfect example of why I should pay more attention - It looks more like an umbellifer species than a fern on hindsight!