Water Avens - possible hybrid but with what?

[RobSutton]

Found this recently at Malham Tarn NNR - I'm pretty sure it's either a hybrid between Water Avens (Geum rivale) and something else - not sure what, or it could just be a very odd double flowered 'sport' of Water Avens.

Growing nearby are Meadowsweet, Marsh Cinquefoil, Wood Avens in an area of fen/carr woodland.

It's quite remote from any sources of domesticated varieties but I guess I can't rule them out entirely.





If anybody has any ideas of what precisely it is I would be grateful.

Whatever it is it certainly makes for a lovely flower.

[Hobjob]

Is it a rose cross "Flames of passion"

[RobSutton]

Thanks Hobjob - it certainly looks very similar (but not quite as deep a red) as images of this variety on the web. Because of where it is I wonder if this is in fact an odd natural mutation (rather than a hybrid) and the sort of thing breeders would have looked for when developing their varieties.

[Bub-les]

Its very nice and I wouldn't mind some in my garden!
I like geums.
Barbara

[mrs fish]

I like Geums but they don't seem to like my garden.

That is a beautiful flower

[Hobjob]

pm Tiggrx, he's bound to know!

[Tiggrx]

Originally Posted by Hobjob

pm Tiggrx, he's bound to know!

Well my best guess is an odd mutation of Water Avens

[RobSutton]

Originally Posted by Tiggrx

Well my best guess is an odd mutation of Water Avens

Thanks Tiggrx.

Since posting this I've spoken to a number of botanists about this plant and there does seem to be a consensus developing that it is just an odd mutation. If so it does seem to be a fairly common one in populations of Water Avens up here. Perhaps something to keep an eye open for elsewhere.

Thanks to everyone for their interest in this.