Vice-county

[IanS]

Hopefully one of you will be able to tell me where to look for information on where each subsection of a Vice-county is actually located. I know that Norfolk is split into two Vice-counties but cannot find info on all the 10x10 squares that make up the VC. Where do you look for this info? E13 for instance means nothing to me!
Thanks
Ian

[thunder]

Originally Posted by IanS

Hopefully one of you will be able to tell me where to look for information on where each subsection of a Vice-county is actually located. I know that Norfolk is split into two Vice-counties but cannot find info on all the 10x10 squares that make up the VC. Where do you look for this info? E13 for instance means nothing to me!
Thanks
Ian

Try Biological Records Centre - Vice County Squares

E13 is not an official vice county square designation, though it may have been used in a county flora.

henrya

[IanS]

hi Henrya

Thanks for the link. I hadnt found that one!
Yes the E13 number came from the Norfolk county flora book. Not sure how to marry the grid ref to the E/W number though! Had another look through the book and it might be that I need to get an earlier book to find out how the authors have designated the squares. I would of thought that it would have been standardised somewhere so that later floras can be compared to the earlier ones. How else can you make comparisons of flora?!
Ian

[arvensis]

Sorry to hijack the thread but I've often wondered why a grid-reference, accurate to 100m and the county you are in aren't good enough for recording purposes.

Mark

[IanS]

Perfectly good, Mark. But thats not the point I am making. The Flora book, gives strange E/W numbers for the squares and no explanation of what/where these actually are. The link supplied above gives me grid refs, but these cannot be married to the E/W numbers given in the book! Hence the problem...

[arvensis]

Could it possibly be something to do with a point of the compass? i.e E = 'East' Are there any 'N' or 'S' squares? That is the only idea I can come up with.

Mark

[thunder]

Originally Posted by IanS

hi Henrya

Thanks for the link. I hadnt found that one!
Yes the E13 number came from the Norfolk county flora book. Not sure how to marry the grid ref to the E/W number though! Had another look through the book and it might be that I need to get an earlier book to find out how the authors have designated the squares. I would of thought that it would have been standardised somewhere so that later floras can be compared to the earlier ones. How else can you make comparisons of flora?!
Ian

Looking at the Flora of Norfolk, it seems to me that they have just substituted the National Grid letters TF and TL for W and TG and TM for E. It makes it a bit tricky to work out the real 10km square reference, but possibly is supposed to make it easier to work out where on the maps the records are if you are not familiar with the OS letters. They don't use quite the same system in the 1968 edition of the Flora (no maps, for one thing) - records are separated into East and West sections and they just give the 10 km numbers.

But they are definitely OS 10km squares.

henrya

[IanS]

Ahhh.....
I see what you mean! Not the most obvious methodology I must say. It would also have helped if the authors had stated what they are doing (or have I missed that?). The flora is fascinating to read and delve into. I have never studied one before so was rather confused as to how they are using grid refs.
Thanks to both of you for your help.
Regards
Ian

[thunder]

Originally Posted by IanS

Ahhh.....
I see what you mean! Not the most obvious methodology I must say. It would also have helped if the authors had stated what they are doing (or have I missed that?). The flora is fascinating to read and delve into. I have never studied one before so was rather confused as to how they are using grid refs.
Thanks to both of you for your help.
Regards
Ian

Don't think you have missed anything - if you have, so have I! It would have been really simple to print a map with the squares shown - their system and the OS equivalents printed in each square. (It would have been even more simple to use the OS square references only!)

henrya

[Meta menardi]

Originally Posted by thunder

Don't think you have missed anything - if you have, so have I! It would have been really simple to print a map with the squares shown - their system and the OS equivalents printed in each square. (It would have been even more simple to use the OS square references only!)

henrya

It's a funny system, but I have come across it elsewhere.

Usually greeted with a muttered curse, rather like records that use the DAFOR scale and add in intermediate categories like "rather frequent".

(D=Dominant, A=Abundant, F=Frequent, O=Occasional, R=Rare). This a commonly used indication of vegetation composition.