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07-09-2007, 09:23 AM
| | Frozen | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Coventry West Midlands
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| | | EXIF and IPTC MEta data in images
Why does WAB remove important IPTC and EXIF meta data from all images we sent to them? all of our images are properly keyworded at point of delivery to our systems, and given copyright details pertaining to the ownership of said images.
That this inobtrusive data is removed by WAB is rather disturbing, and leaves our work subject to potential abuse and/or theft.
interested in opinions re this matter and possibly a move to retention of at least embedded copyright notices.... I am not talking about stamping (which we also do on our other web sites)
llanon99 |
07-09-2007, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by llanon99  Why does WAB remove important IPTC and EXIF meta data from all images we sent to them? | Does it ? I adjust all mine "for the web" in PSC3, which strips this data anyway.
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08-09-2007, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Tormentil Does it ? I adjust all mine "for the web" in PSC3, which strips this data anyway. | Yes it does, I add IPTC data to all of my images, and it is all stripped away.........
That you choose not to "protect your images" is, of course, your personal choice, I choose to add copyright notices in the most inobtrusive way (embedded onto the file as IPTC Metadata)
WAB therefore is compromising the copyright of my work and images. |
08-09-2007, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by llanon99 Yes it does, I add IPTC data to all of my images, and it is all stripped away.........
That you choose not to "protect your images" is, of course, your personal choice, I choose to add copyright notices in the most inobtrusive way (embedded onto the file as IPTC Metadata)
WAB therefore is compromising the copyright of my work and images. | Unobtrusive, small copyrights are allowed on images.
edit: The other alternative is to lower the quality so that it is not worth stealing.
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08-09-2007, 11:23 AM
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| | | Re: EXIF and IPTC MEta data in images
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Originally Posted by llanon99 Yes it does, I add IPTC data to all of my images, and it is all stripped away.........
That you choose not to "protect your images" is, of course, your personal choice, I choose to add copyright notices in the most inobtrusive way (embedded onto the file as IPTC Metadata)
WAB therefore is compromising the copyright of my work and images. | I've noticed that it removes the EXIF data on some uploads, but not others! I've no idea why.  |
08-09-2007, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by llanon99 Yes it does, I add IPTC data to all of my images, and it is all stripped away.........
That you choose not to "protect your images" is, of course, your personal choice, I choose to add copyright notices in the most inobtrusive way (embedded onto the file as IPTC Metadata)
WAB therefore is compromising the copyright of my work and images. |
Do me a favour. WAB is not compromising anything. You may be compromising by uploading to WAB, but that is your choice. You are not being forced.
None of your images are of commercial quality. The resolution is not big enough and most of the subject matter is available free of charge elsewhere on the web.
Visions of grandeur - There you go, I have said what everyone else is thinking. |
08-09-2007, 11:44 AM
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Incidentally I cant find any EXIF information on your photos in your picasa online library - link deleted |
08-09-2007, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by llanon99 WAB therefore is compromising the copyright of my work and images. | Don't post any if you're that concerned.
Even if you put them on any web site, the EXIF/IPTC data can be stripped from them by anyone who downloads them.
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09-09-2007, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by wildone Unobtrusive, small copyrights are allowed on images.
edit: The other alternative is to lower the quality so that it is not worth stealing.
wildone | Thanks for this valid answer to a valid question. I did not know that watermarks were allowable. BTW these are the lower quality versions :-) |
09-09-2007, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by glsammy I've noticed that it removes the EXIF data on some uploads, but not others! I've no idea why. | Thanks once again for a valid point made re this question |
09-09-2007, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Boddie Do me a favour. WAB is not compromising anything. You may be compromising by uploading to WAB, but that is your choice. You are not being forced.
None of your images are of commercial quality. The resolution is not big enough and most of the subject matter is available free of charge elsewhere on the web.
Visions of grandeur - There you go, I have said what everyone else is thinking. | My mistake I thought the term FORUM meant we were in an area used to promote discussion of interesting and/or important points, from your insulting comments I can only assume that I am mistaken, and that in your eyes Forum is a place one goes to in order to agree with such as yourself.
The question was asked in terms of the whole membership and not myself necessarily.
As you say the images we put forward are not commercial, if they were they would not be here in the first place, also the quality is reduced in order to reduce uload times for us and more importantly download times for visitors to the site.....
The point is Metadata is removed, for what reason.......
No answer is forthcoming as yet.  |
09-09-2007, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Boddie Incidentally I cant find any EXIF information on your photos in your picasa online library - link deleted | Thank you for visiting one of our many other sites, hope you like the photos from our garden, and are not just visiting in order to pick holes...................
Thank you Andrew, I guess I should learn a little humility and take advice from one who has been a photographer for so long a time as you........ |
09-09-2007, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Boddie Do me a favour. WAB is not compromising anything. You may be compromising by uploading to WAB, but that is your choice. You are not being forced.
None of your images are of commercial quality. The resolution is not big enough and most of the subject matter is available free of charge elsewhere on the web.
Visions of grandeur - There you go, I have said what everyone else is thinking. | You are not speaking for me with that kind of answer to what was a perfectly reasonably asked question.
And nowhere have I read of any visions of grandeur, only on your post!
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09-09-2007, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Monkster You are not speaking for me with that kind of answer to what was a perfectly reasonably asked question.
And nowhere have I read of any visions of grandeur, only on your post!
Suzanne | Thank you Suzanne, I am happy to know that I am not being paranoid when I read an insult into Boddies previous response to my question........
regards,
llanon99 |
09-09-2007, 05:27 PM
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| | | Re: EXIF and IPTC MEta data in images
Why are you all doing this? There is no reason for it at all. Respect other people's views, even if you think that they are wrong.
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09-09-2007, 05:31 PM
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Not everyone is concerned about commercial values; some of us are more concerned about intellectual property rights.
On the commercial front, in the unlikely event of anyone trying to make a windfall by stealing one of my pictures then, yes, I would want to get them and the money ...
More likely, though, is that someone would (and does) use one of my pictures without acknowledgment - and also steal the text  - I have no problems about people freely using any of my material (in the wider sense) but do take issue if they use it on a commercial site or if they don't say where they borrowed it.
To this end, retaining the exif data on WAB could be useful. I thought that it did. Anyone have views on how/why it's retained on some uploads but not others? Quote:
Originally Posted by Boddie Do me a favour. WAB is not compromising anything. You may be compromising by uploading to WAB, but that is your choice. You are not being forced.
None of your images are of commercial quality. The resolution is not big enough and most of the subject matter is available free of charge elsewhere on the web.
Visions of grandeur - There you go, I have said what everyone else is thinking. | |
09-09-2007, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul mabbott Not everyone is concerned about commercial values; some of us are more concerned about intellectual property rights.
On the commercial front, in the unlikely event of anyone trying to make a windfall by stealing one of my pictures then, yes, I would want to get them and the money ...
More likely, though, is that someone would (and does) use one of my pictures without acknowledgment - and also steal the text - I have no problems about people freely using any of my material (in the wider sense) but do take issue if they use it on a commercial site or if they don't say where they borrowed it.
To this end, retaining the exif data on WAB could be useful. I thought that it did. Anyone have views on how/why it's retained on some uploads but not others? |
Thank you once again Paul, you make my point for me, I did not at any time mention commercial interests, and as a professional librarian, would be unlikely to do so..........
Anyway I raised a valid point I think, given that I have been personally attacked for this I therefore withdraw from this debacle and will raise no further issues with this community.
llanon99 |
09-09-2007, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Boddie | Sorry did I miss something? Is this Google? no, I raised exactly the same issue with Picasa/Google a short time ago. This is WAB, the question is valid if you have no answer then please don't just throw insults around. |
09-09-2007, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by llanon99 Anyway I raised a valid point I think, given that I have been personally attacked for this I therefore withdraw from this debacle and will raise no further issues with this community.
llanon99 | Don't "withdraw" from the "community" simply don't take offence at boddie - most of us recognise that he's just a miserable old git  |
09-09-2007, 11:40 PM
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To llanon99 and any other members concerned about their photographs. Any photograph that you upload to the internet can be downloaded and used for illegal purposes. There are ways to prevent people from downloading your image but all they have to do is take a screen print. If you put a watermark copyright on the image, unless it across the middle of the subject it can be cloned out quite easy. If you embed a copyright notice in the metadata, that can be removed even easier.
So it’s up to you, and the only way you will ever find out if your image is being used elsewhere is if you stumble across it by accident.
Dai |
10-09-2007, 08:38 AM
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Let me simplify the question: Why is Meta data removed form images on upload to WAB?
the answer I no longer care about, but maybe someone from WAB can find out and remedy the situation. |
10-09-2007, 08:53 AM
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Is it to do with file size? The extra data on an individual image may be small, but on thousands of images it would add up to a sizeable (sic) amount.
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10-09-2007, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Tormentil Is it to do with file size? The extra data on an individual image may be small, but on thousands of images it would add up to a sizeable (sic) amount. | With my ordinary members hat on. I would not think so if as 'glsammy' replied "it is on some images and not on others" (paraphrased).
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Last edited by wildone; 10-09-2007 at 09:07 AM.
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