Gallery suggestion

[FungiJohn]

Read with great interest but will keep quite for now apart from suggesting renaming mushroom(s) to fungi.

I'm still a newbie don't forget

You're all doing a fantastic job and if I can help let me know

John

[wildone]

And can Trees become Trees and Shrubs please.

[matt_xyz]

Originally Posted by glsammy

Thanks for your concern Matt. To be honest the number of images is not what takes the most time. It's having to correct the input, i.e. Common name - Scientific Name, plus keywords, comments put in the wrong box, that kind of thing.
Some of the most prolific users, to mention a few, Me! Digi, Klewis, etc. always have it spot on, so all we have to do is put a tick in a box, so no problem.
We don't expect everyone to have it perfect, and we don't want to put people off from posting if they don't know the correct names, but it makes it a whole lot easier if it is correct. It's very easy to find the correct names, you can simply search for the same image and there it is. Make sure your comments are in the Wild Life Description Box, and only Photography information, i.e. camera, lens, settings etc. in the Photography Description Box.
If everyone did this, Wildone & I could lie back and take it easy.

Please all have a look at the note posted today by Wildone on this matter.

I'm glad to hear that you think the workload is manageable glsammy. Congratulations on your new appointment by the way and thanks for the time and effort that you and wildone put into the gallery.

I will certainly try to ensure that my uploaded shots cause as little work as possible. Perhaps the way forward then is to re-structure the bird forum along the lines suggested above? (presumably the existing bird gallery would have to be frozen as it is and left as a separate gallery? I imagine it would not be feasible separating out the exisiting shots into the various new categories).

Matt

[wildone]

I'm still not sure of some of them. For instance where would one place Stone Curlews, Pheasant, Partridge and other ground nesting birds, other than Waterfowl? Am I right in thinking that Passerines are perching birds? Sorry but not terribly up on birds (or anything else for that matter)

[digi]

Originally Posted by wildone

I'm still not sure of some of them. For instance where would one place Stone Curlews, Pheasant, Partridge and other ground nesting birds? Am I right in thinking that Passerines are perching birds? Sorry but not terribly up on birds (or anything else for that matter)

The one certain outcome of this is more work for the gallery editors.

[matt_xyz]

Originally Posted by digi

The one certain outcome of this is more work for the gallery editors.

maybe things should be left as they are then. Without the gallery editors there is no gallery so we need to keep them as sane and stress free as possible!

Matt

[digi]

Originally Posted by matt_xyz

maybe things should be left as they are then. Without the gallery editors there is no gallery so we need to keep them as sane and stress free as possible!

Matt

The suggestion is good Matt, but the problem the gallery editors have is some people just can't be bothered to select the correct categories, titles etc etc. They just want to upload their image and know it will be done for them.

This means the gallery editors have to do it and its them I am trying to protect.

[wildone]

As a gallery editor and speaking for myself only I think to split the bird gallery would be a good thing. Fortunately most of the bird photographers know what type of bird is what. We would need to be extra vigilant for the first couple of weeks until users were used to the different categories. If there is a way of stopping any new entries to the existing category but the ability for editors to change the category of images already there then the editors can gradually move the old ones over.

Please confirm that there are 26 hours to a day and the same to a night.

[digi]

Originally Posted by wildone

Please confirm that there are 26 hours to a day and the same to a night.

Well there will need to be more than that in your day!

[matt_xyz]

in order to lessen the workload how about combining some re-structuring with a reduced daily upload limit? I do think some advice about limiting uploads might be a good idea - at the very least to recommend against uploading 2 or 3 (or sometimes more) almost identical shots.

Wildone, regarding your query about where certain ground nesting birds etc would go, perhaps the following categories would solve this;

Tits and finches
birds of prey
waterfowl and gulls
other birds

Matt

[digi]

Originally Posted by matt_xyz

in order to lessen the workload how about combining some re-structuring with a reduced daily upload limit? I do think some advice about limiting uploads might be a good idea - at the very least to recommend against uploading 2 or 3 (or sometimes more) almost identical shots.


Matt

I am sure Stu would not agree to this, but would welcome his comments?

[StuartDH]

I'm not too keen on capping daily uploads, but I think we could certainly streamline the upload process to make it faster and easier for some of the uploaders and editors.

Where we're consistently finding that some uploaders are posting images with everything named and categorised correctly, then we could give them the facility to upload images without them having to be checked. At the other end of the scale, if the uploads contain errors etc, then we may have to lengthen the verification times to 48+ hours. This should hopefully give everyone an incentive to get it right first time, save the gallery editors some work and get pictures online quicker.

Stu

[glsammy]

Originally Posted by wildone

As a gallery editor and speaking for myself only I think to split the bird gallery would be a good thing. Fortunately most of the bird photographers know what type of bird is what. We would need to be extra vigilant for the first couple of weeks until users were used to the different categories. If there is a way of stopping any new entries to the existing category but the ability for editors to change the category of images already there then the editors can gradually move the old ones over.

Please confirm that there are 26 hours to a day and the same to a night.

As the second Gallery editor I also think the split would be a good thing.

[wildone]

You mean that Graham, after me writing

Please confirm that there are 26 hours to a day and the same to a night.

I still think that when we and members get used to it we shall reap the benefit.

[glsammy]

Absolutely. I'm also thinking of the other side of the site, which I'm obviously actively involved, that is the showing of the images. The split can only help that. We'll make a few mistakes no doubt, but I'm sure you'll correct me!!

[digi]

Originally Posted by glsammy

Absolutely. I'm also thinking of the other side of the site, which I'm obviously actively involved, that is the showing of the images. The split can only help that. We'll make a few mistakes no doubt, but I'm sure you'll correct me!!

But will everyone know what category to put the images in?

[wildone]

Originally Posted by digi

But will everyone know what category to put the images in?

The ones that get it right now will either already know or will quickly learn. Will we be any worse off with the ones who never get it right?

[digi]

Originally Posted by wildone

The ones that get it right now will either already know or will quickly learn. Will we be any worse off with the ones who never get it right?

Probably because you are going to have to change categories for evey image they upload, as well as title etc etc

IMHO the site is made up of members interested in Wildlife, Photographers interested in Wildlife and finally photographers that want to show their picture but no nothing about the subject matter. Thats why your workload will increase.

[wildone]

Stuart are we going to have a split in the birds gallery? If so I think the sooner we start, the better. The longer we wait the more birds are going into the old bird category.

Could it also incorporate this idea of Stuart's

At the other end of the scale, if the uploads contain errors etc, then we may have to lengthen the verification times to 48+ hours. This should hopefully give everyone an incentive to get it right first time, save the gallery editors some work and get pictures online quicker.

If we were to get that underway with the new bird categories we will soon find the ones that get it right and upload theirs quickly. We would have to let members know that this is happening otherwise the incentive is not there. It will also reward those that get it right without letting them upload directly and us having to check just in case.

Sorry this has all gone on a bit, better to get it right at the start.

wildone

[StuartDH]

Sure, if you can send me a list of the sub-groups that you want use then I'll set it up.

Stu

[carlj]

I agree. The number of bird shots entering the site is staggering and could mean a lot of extra work unless the descriptions are spot on, and uploaded correctly. How about a sticky to aid uploading to correct category - may reduce errors?

[wildone]

Originally Posted by StuartDH

Sure, if you can send me a list of the sub-groups that you want use then I'll set it up.

Stu

How about this idea from Matt_xyz in answer to my query about certain ground nesting birds

Wildone, regarding your query about where certain ground nesting birds etc would go, perhaps the following categories would solve this;

Tits and finches
birds of prey
waterfowl and gulls
other birds

Certainly seems easy enough for me to know what will go where.

Thanks Stuart

wildone

[Neil]

Originally Posted by matt_xyz

I think the quality of images in the gallery is extremely high and I can't get over the number of top quality images that are uploaded on a daily basis. However, does anyone else feel that the turnover of images in the bird gallery in particular is perhaps a bit too high? If you don't visit the bird gallery for a day or two there are pages of images to catch up on. Also, when you upload an image it can disappear within a couple of hours due to new uploads.

Since the bird gallery receives far more images than any of the other galleries I therefore wonder whether it would be an idea to sub-divide it into 2 or 3 galleries (or maybe even more in time). Maybe a separate category for waterfowl? Birds of prey? Sea birds? These are just off the top of my head but does anyone else feel the idea of sub-dividing the bird gallery is a good idea?

Matt

Hi
I wonder if now spring is here and with more leaves on the trees bird photos could be harder to take. This in its self would restrict the number of uploads if true.

[wildone]

Originally Posted by Neil

Hi
I wonder if now spring is here and with more leaves on the trees bird photos could be harder to take. This in its self would restrict the number of upload