Fish for ID pls (Roach or Rudd I think)

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Quick browse through a list of freshwater fish had lead me to believe these unfortunate casualties of the cold weather we've had are either Roach or Rudd. I'm not much of a fish person so I could be way off.

Quite a few (Maybe 15) dead under the ice at my local nature reserve in a pond I had 'earmarked' as the GCN breeding pond but never knew there were fish in it !!

Not a very good pic im afraid but any help appreciated

oh btw they were approx 6 inches long.

[danthekeeper]

I think that is a perch given it's 2 dorsal fins as apposed to a rudd or roach which has one:

[tom00_uk]

looks like a washed out perch

[diggleken]

yes, its a perch, perca fluviatilis, dead for some time.
Cheers
Ken

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Oh wow, told you I wasn't a fish person...lol

The thing that put me off Perch was the one on the site I was looking at had black stripes which these didn't..but it never entered my head the colours would fade with time.

Not sure how long they've been dead for as I haven't been to that particular pond since september...but it was 95% frozen over still so it could have been a while.

Thanks for the help folks

[thebeard]

yep definately a perch and quite a good sized one, which would probably elimanate any chances of newts being there!!!

[Dogghound]

As said its a perch, these can be very variable in colour and you often get very pale ones like this. Although the colour of this one is likely to be a result of its death. As the Beard says the fact the pond has fish in (especially predatory species like perch) largely reduces your chance of breeding GC newts although boosts them for toads. Perch are quick colonisers of lakes and breed very quickly if there are no predators like pike or larger perch you tend to get large populations of 'stunted' fish the same size, this has quite negative impacts on other wildlife in the pond, it is often seen on comercial fisheries where pike are removed.