Fly Tipping

[Ipso Facto]

I went out for a cycle ride through the country lanes earlier. How come so many people are into fly tipping? How can the government seriously talk about extra payments for the disposal of household waste?

[thunder]

Because either they are stupid or it's a cunning plan to justify a big increase in council taxes

henrya

[SparklySarah]

We used to get that down a small lane near us called Gypsy Lane. Lovely overgrown lane, perfect for wildlife, beautiful...... but loads of fly tipping. Eventually someone put two big boulders at either end o the lane so no-one could get down with their vehicles! Worked a treat! Tis a great shame though. Some people have no concideration for thie surroundings.

[Kymba]

We get a lot of it here wher we take the dogs for a walk. It is really annoying. The thing is that we are all going to see it happening more and more with all these charges they are bringing in. Some people would rather risk Fly Tipping then paying to have their rubbish removed...
I think this is where Local councils and the goverment should be spending their Money and putting their resources. Areas where they know it is happening should be monitored more regularly at times when Tipping is normally done.
But saying that these people will always find new places to Dump their trash, It isnt an easy problem to solve.
Our Local council dont charge you to come and collect large household Items then need disposing of. But people still dump them in our back ally ways!!

[galanthus]

Our council used to provide skips every 2 months or so, they'd be parked in certain areas and were always used well. Cost-cutting has meant that this hasn't happened for a long time and to ring to have something collected means a 4 week wait. We put our stuff into the car and head for the council tip which is 8 miles away and the council workers stand and watch us struggle to offload there . I would never dump rubbish myself but I can see why others feel they have no option.

[demicav]

Ah fly tipping, what can I say ? It's one of a few things that really makes me very angry . I'm seeing it more and more, even in Wales amongst the country and wildlife. It's disgusting. The people that do it are known in our family as the great unwashed of society but they fall under the description of many words and phrases. Let's see, inconsiderate, selfish, dirty, stupid, no common sense, morons, dangerous, brainless, simple minded, thoughtless and the list goes on. Their can be no excuse for dumping rubbish. The government needs to wake up to the problem and stop living in cuckoo land. Children need to be tought from a young age the need to dispose of rubbish properly. I'm proud to say that my children will carry their litter for however long need be untill they either reach a bin or arrive home.
More fines are needed, even prison setences. I'd lock up the culprits and throw away the key, although I know that's not feasible.

[Ambriel]

Unfortunately more and more councils are putting greater restrictions on what you can take to the rubbish dump and how you can get it there.

For instance, many councils now operate a 'van ban' prohibiting the use not only of what are clearly commercial vehicles but also many domestic vehicles that do not meet their standards, such as pickups and large 4x4s.

What this means is that if you've got a sofa or a fridge/freezer to dispose of you may have great difficulty getting it there. Even if your profession is a painter/decorator (and it says so on the side of your van) you won't be allowed to use it to enter the rubbish dump.

You will be allowed to park outside and carry your sofa or other bulky/heavy item in manually though.

Go figure....

With this in mind it's hardly surprising that people who have paid through their council taxes to access the rubbish dump and yet are being barred choose to vent their anger by fly-tipping their waste illegally.

Unortunately the final cost of removal and disposal usually falls upon the owner of the land upon which the item is abandoned, not the council whose stupid and ill-thought-out policies have caused the problem.

Sorry for the rant but as a private Landrover user this is a subject I feel quite strongly about.

[Ipso Facto]

Originally Posted by demicav

Children need to be tought from a young age the need to dispose of rubbish properly. I'm proud to say that my children will carry their litter for however long need be untill they either reach a bin or arrive home.

Glad to hear it and I agree that it's all to do with the way we have been brought up. My parents had such an affect on me that I still couldn't even bring myself to drop a sweet paper in the street. Infact, not so long ago, I crossed a road to put a sweet paper into a bin next to a bus stop: a little old lady standing there thanked me as though I had done something really special - sad isn't it?

There are instances, I am sure, of individuals fly tipping because they cannot be bothered to go the extra mile but I believe that much of it is caused by small commercial concerns who are not welcome at the council tips and would have to pay to take it elsewhere. Most of the tipping I see does disappear so the council must be quite active - it's a pity they don't make it easier for people to get rid of suff properly in the first place.

[galanthus]

We'd soon see a change and have far more environmentally friendly disposal policies if the councillors themselves were ordered to collect the dumped rubbish in their area in their 2L plus valeted vehicles hmmmph !!!

[Ipso Facto]

Originally Posted by Ambriel

What this means is that if you've got a sofa or a fridge/freezer to dispose of you may have great difficulty getting it there. Even if your profession is a painter/decorator (and it says so on the side of your van) you won't be allowed to use it to enter the rubbish dump.

You will be allowed to park outside and carry your sofa or other bulky/heavy item in manually though.

This certainly isn't always the case. I hired a van to empty some junk out of a house for my daughter. When I got to the tip I couldn't get in because of the height restriction on across the access but when I explained what I had got in the van and why I had got it, the guy in charge had a quick look and then removed the height barrier to let me in. The council will also collect bulky items from homes although admittedly this is only one or two collections a year and then there is a charge.

Originally Posted by Ambriel

With this in mind it's hardly surprising that people who have paid through their council taxes to access the rubbish dump and yet are being barred choose to vent their anger by fly-tipping their waste illegally.

I'm sorry but I don't feel that there is any excuse for this unsociable behaviour

Originally Posted by Ambriel

Unortunately the final cost of removal and disposal usually falls upon the owner of the land upon which the item is abandoned, not the council whose stupid and ill-thought-out policies have caused the problem.

I have a genuine sympathy for landowners who find themselves in this situation. The law needs to be changed and hopefully it will ... for the better I mean. The daft ideas about extra charges to "aid recycling" should be scrapped before they go any further. What can we do about it?