Fly Tipping

[Ipso Facto]

I went out for a cycle ride through the country lanes earlier. How come so many people are into fly tipping? How can the government seriously talk about extra payments for the disposal of household waste?

[thunder]

Because either they are stupid or it's a cunning plan to justify a big increase in council taxes

henrya

[SparklySarah]

We used to get that down a small lane near us called Gypsy Lane. Lovely overgrown lane, perfect for wildlife, beautiful...... but loads of fly tipping. Eventually someone put two big boulders at either end o the lane so no-one could get down with their vehicles! Worked a treat! Tis a great shame though. Some people have no concideration for thie surroundings.

[Kymba]

We get a lot of it here wher we take the dogs for a walk. It is really annoying. The thing is that we are all going to see it happening more and more with all these charges they are bringing in. Some people would rather risk Fly Tipping then paying to have their rubbish removed...
I think this is where Local councils and the goverment should be spending their Money and putting their resources. Areas where they know it is happening should be monitored more regularly at times when Tipping is normally done.
But saying that these people will always find new places to Dump their trash, It isnt an easy problem to solve.
Our Local council dont charge you to come and collect large household Items then need disposing of. But people still dump them in our back ally ways!!

[galanthus]

Our council used to provide skips every 2 months or so, they'd be parked in certain areas and were always used well. Cost-cutting has meant that this hasn't happened for a long time and to ring to have something collected means a 4 week wait. We put our stuff into the car and head for the council tip which is 8 miles away and the council workers stand and watch us struggle to offload there . I would never dump rubbish myself but I can see why others feel they have no option.

[demicav]

Ah fly tipping, what can I say ? It's one of a few things that really makes me very angry . I'm seeing it more and more, even in Wales amongst the country and wildlife. It's disgusting. The people that do it are known in our family as the great unwashed of society but they fall under the description of many words and phrases. Let's see, inconsiderate, selfish, dirty, stupid, no common sense, morons, dangerous, brainless, simple minded, thoughtless and the list goes on. Their can be no excuse for dumping rubbish. The government needs to wake up to the problem and stop living in cuckoo land. Children need to be tought from a young age the need to dispose of rubbish properly. I'm proud to say that my children will carry their litter for however long need be untill they either reach a bin or arrive home.
More fines are needed, even prison setences. I'd lock up the culprits and throw away the key, although I know that's not feasible.

[Ambriel]

Unfortunately more and more councils are putting greater restrictions on what you can take to the rubbish dump and how you can get it there.

For instance, many councils now operate a 'van ban' prohibiting the use not only of what are clearly commercial vehicles but also many domestic vehicles that do not meet their standards, such as pickups and large 4x4s.

What this means is that if you've got a sofa or a fridge/freezer to dispose of you may have great difficulty getting it there. Even if your profession is a painter/decorator (and it says so on the side of your van) you won't be allowed to use it to enter the rubbish dump.

You will be allowed to park outside and carry your sofa or other bulky/heavy item in manually though.

Go figure....

With this in mind it's hardly surprising that people who have paid through their council taxes to access the rubbish dump and yet are being barred choose to vent their anger by fly-tipping their waste illegally.

Unortunately the final cost of removal and disposal usually falls upon the owner of the land upon which the item is abandoned, not the council whose stupid and ill-thought-out policies have caused the problem.

Sorry for the rant but as a private Landrover user this is a subject I feel quite strongly about.

[Ipso Facto]

Originally Posted by demicav

Children need to be tought from a young age the need to dispose of rubbish properly. I'm proud to say that my children will carry their litter for however long need be untill they either reach a bin or arrive home.

Glad to hear it and I agree that it's all to do with the way we have been brought up. My parents had such an affect on me that I still couldn't even bring myself to drop a sweet paper in the street. Infact, not so long ago, I crossed a road to put a sweet paper into a bin next to a bus stop: a little old lady standing there thanked me as though I had done something really special - sad isn't it?

There are instances, I am sure, of individuals fly tipping because they cannot be bothered to go the extra mile but I believe that much of it is caused by small commercial concerns who are not welcome at the council tips and would have to pay to take it elsewhere. Most of the tipping I see does disappear so the council must be quite active - it's a pity they don't make it easier for people to get rid of suff properly in the first place.

[galanthus]

We'd soon see a change and have far more environmentally friendly disposal policies if the councillors themselves were ordered to collect the dumped rubbish in their area in their 2L plus valeted vehicles hmmmph !!!

[Ipso Facto]

Originally Posted by Ambriel

What this means is that if you've got a sofa or a fridge/freezer to dispose of you may have great difficulty getting it there. Even if your profession is a painter/decorator (and it says so on the side of your van) you won't be allowed to use it to enter the rubbish dump.

You will be allowed to park outside and carry your sofa or other bulky/heavy item in manually though.

This certainly isn't always the case. I hired a van to empty some junk out of a house for my daughter. When I got to the tip I couldn't get in because of the height restriction on across the access but when I explained what I had got in the van and why I had got it, the guy in charge had a quick look and then removed the height barrier to let me in. The council will also collect bulky items from homes although admittedly this is only one or two collections a year and then there is a charge.

Originally Posted by Ambriel

With this in mind it's hardly surprising that people who have paid through their council taxes to access the rubbish dump and yet are being barred choose to vent their anger by fly-tipping their waste illegally.

I'm sorry but I don't feel that there is any excuse for this unsociable behaviour

Originally Posted by Ambriel

Unortunately the final cost of removal and disposal usually falls upon the owner of the land upon which the item is abandoned, not the council whose stupid and ill-thought-out policies have caused the problem.

I have a genuine sympathy for landowners who find themselves in this situation. The law needs to be changed and hopefully it will ... for the better I mean. The daft ideas about extra charges to "aid recycling" should be scrapped before they go any further. What can we do about it?

[Carl]

What`s happening to the world ffs i mean you have animal cuelty poverty, fly tipping lol crime pedos and some that think ah i know i`ll go be into some old age pensioner cause i`m a ***** and they`re fragile.and knick there money.
Why can`t humans get on with animals and humans get on with humans, stresses me out ahh.
I hate to say it and you may hate me for saying it but it was pointless our soldiers fighting in WW1 & 2 and the rest of the wars, because what respect do they get.none!!!!
It makes me feel sick.
I blame the parents if the kids are brought up properl they`ll be good teenagers and adults.


Sorry for wraffling on

[Ambriel]

Originally Posted by Ipso Facto

This certainly isn't always the case. I hired a van to empty some junk out of a house for my daughter. When I got to the tip I couldn't get in because of the height restriction on across the access but when I explained what I had got in the van and why I had got it, the guy in charge had a quick look and then removed the height barrier to let me in. The council will also collect bulky items from homes although admittedly this is only one or two collections a year and then there is a charge.

Clearly hasn't been brought in or fully implemented by your local council yet then, but it is a fact in many parts of the country.

If they all worked as reasonably as yours does then it wouldn't be the problem that it is.

As regards collection of bulky items, yes ours do that too, but why should I be forced to pay for them to come and collect something that I could take myself if they'd allow me over the threshold? I would also have to be there for when they came to collect it, which isn't always convenient if you work.

[Ipso Facto]

Originally Posted by Ambriel

As regards collection of bulky items, yes ours do that too, but why should I be forced to pay for them to come and collect something that I could take myself if they'd allow me over the threshold? I would also have to be there for when they came to collect it, which isn't always convenient if you work.

Again there seem to be regional differences Ambriel. In the past I have simply left the fridge, freezer, old solid fuel boiler and other bits and pieces that I wanted to dispose of at the top of the drive on the appropriate day (or for the appropriate period because they sometimes give a range of times that they may appear) and the stuff magically disappears ... I've always assumed that it was the council that took them away!

I was talking to a friend of mine the other night: it is one collection a year that is free. He didn't use his last year ... I wish I had known!

Overall I do agree with you: if it were easier to get rid of stuff or recycle legally there would be less there would be less of the disgusting stuff that I started this thread off with. The focus seems to be far more on making commercial companies pay for disposal and, in many cases, they seem to be the main culprits in their drive for cost cutting and profit. I wish the government would wake up!!!

[Billy Wobble Dagger]

I wonder how many of these TVs and Videos will be dumped over the country to increase the amount of rubbish that is all ready there. Another great idea by the government well done!!!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6753719.stm

BWD

[overgrownbramble]

I live about 1/4 mile down the road from the council tip - and yet people still dump their old tv's etc in the street or any old where. Laziness is all it is. It's free to take items like TV's there.

As for the no-vans policy, any owner of a large vehicle can apply for a free permit, allowing 12 visits per year. This is to stop businesses like builders dumping all their commercial waste for free, and strikes me as totally reasonable - after all, if anyone needs more than 12 van loads per year they need to look at the amount of waste they're producing! How much this is policed is down to the workers at the tip - mine were extremely freindly and helpful and let me sneak in several times ina transit with no permit when I explained I'd moved into a house full of rubbish, but then I'm 5ft nothing female and blatantly not a builder , depends on who you get on the gate I suppose.

[Coley]

I regularly visit a local gym. Yes I even ride my bike there, gotta do my bit. I was wondering about the amount of energy they must use on a daily basis.
Does anyone think it might be possible to have some of the equipment, while in use of course, generating the power to run the entire building?
Like bikes, rowing machines and treadmills.

What do you think guys n gals

[Gaina]

Originally Posted by Coley

I regularly visit a local gym. Yes I even ride my bike there, gotta do my bit. I was wondering about the amount of energy they must use on a daily basis.
Does anyone think it might be possible to have some of the equipment, while in use of course, generating the power to run the entire building?
Like bikes, rowing machines and treadmills.

What do you think guys n gals

Nice one Coley! That's the kind of blindingly obvious question that no 'expert' has had the common sense to ask!

[peppermint]

what a fantastic idea. It could certainly work i reckon.

[G0NYM]

I like that idea the faster your Little legs go the more light they get. You might expect to get some form of discount and on Saturdays and Sundays when its a bit crowded the surplus power would go into batteries for the rest of the week when its not so busy
brilliant quiet brilliant.
Martin.........

[medieval knievel]

i asked an engineer this a while ago, and was told that the short answer is no. unless you like your showers cold.
according to the cross trainers in work, the power i'm putting out at peak is about 250w - which i could maintain for maybe three minutes. being ambitious, if i averaged 200w for half an hour on equipment which could harness that 200w perfectly efficiently, i'd have generated 0.15KWh. which would be enough to keep an average kettle going for just over two minutes, or a 60w bulb going for an hour and a half.

[G0NYM]

Originally Posted by medieval knievel

i asked an engineer this a while ago, and was told that the short answer is no. unless you like your showers cold.
according to the cross trainers in work, the power i'm putting out at peak is about 250w - which i could maintain for maybe three minutes. being ambitious, if i averaged 200w for half an hour on equipment which could harness that 200w perfectly efficiently, i'd have generated 0.15KWh. which would be enough to keep an average kettle going for just over two minutes, or a 60w bulb going for an hour and a half.

Thats it spoil my dream with technicalities I had visions of thousands of gyms all over ,with super fit folks doing there bit for the ecology global warming etc HA HA
Martin

[nightshade]

Wait what if city pavements moved like a belt so everyone was on a huge treadmill
Oh Oh that sounds like work anyway

[G0NYM]

I still think its a good idea.
No don't mock ,instead of having a video in front of the treadmill or whatever they would only need a light bulb as an incentive, everybody could see from all over the room how much effort was being put in by that person and a whole new meaning to the phrase that this person is a bit dim .LOL
Martin

[Strontium]

Originally Posted by medieval knievel

i asked an engineer this a while ago, and was told that the short answer is no. unless you like your showers cold.

Hang about, was there a contradiction in your post.. lol Not really because as was clearly stated by the thread starter that the [bold]whole[/bold] building should be run. While of course this is ambitious, its not a bad idea to start somewhere..

Originally Posted by medieval knievel

i'd have generated 0.15KWh. which would be enough to keep an average kettle going for just over two minutes, or a 60w bulb going for an hour and a half.

So hang about, if are creating 0.15KWh, that is 540kJs, and if you want a shower that is hot after all that excercise, give it about 40 deg C, thats a change from 20 degrees starting temp. Specific heat 4.181J/gK, that gives you 540kJ/(4.181x20) of water at 40 degrees C, or 6,457 grammes, 1kg = 1liter. How long is your shower? If you want a power shower, thats going to need about 15 liters per minute giving you under half a minute. For a modest shower, could 6 liters be enough for a minute - I dont think so. If you have been working out however its unlikely that you will want this much water at 40 degrees C, so it can be stored for use by others. If you are overweight, will you generate as much energy? I think there are plenty of positive points and negatives and depends on type of activity.