Scottish wilderness reserve

[VinceS]

Wednesday 16th April BBC2 8pm "Natural World". A millionaire's attempt to reintroduce - moose, wildboar, Wolves and bears into Scotland.

Vince

[Kayleigh]

I have preprogrammed this on my controller. Simon King is on for 10 minutes just after. He is in the New Forest to watch the Fallow Deer.

[Dan Salter]

I cannot WAIT for this tonight...i think it will be my favourite NW of the current lot!....(although the snow leopards was great)

Im basing my next assignment on tonights topic so it better be good! ha ha

im going to put a heads up for this on the TV thread under the NATURAL WORLD thread incase people miss this one?

[Dogghound]

Great program good look to the guy, seems so many laws against what is in my eyes is a positive step forward for conservation. I honestly dont see a problem with this.

[Dan Salter]

Originally Posted by Dogghound

Great program good look to the guy, seems so many laws against what is in my eyes is a positive step forward for conservation. I honestly dont see a problem with this.

Yeah i also thought he 'looked' pretty good? (especially his tattersal shirts) ha ha

But yes...i really feel for him...it does not seem to matter at what level a project from a small wildlife pond to landscape scale conservation project, the powers that be always seem to make it extremely difficult to do something that is ultimately positive.

[deer boy]

What a great idea Paul Lister has shame not everyone agrees.I would much rather see animals hunting one another than someone with a gun hunting.At least it would be natural & the fittest survive.

[Dan Salter]

Of course Paul lister is certainly not the original thinker behind the whole idea of rewildling...and he is not the only person putting it into practice as the doc kind of implied?...there are several projects going on...but i think his is one of the most well known.

We had Peter Taylor of rewilding fame come and lecture at my college...his book "Beyond Conservation" is well worth looking at if this doc got you thinking?

[deer boy]

Originally Posted by Dan Salter

Of course Paul lister is certainly not the original thinker behind the whole idea of rewildling...and he is not the only person putting it into practice as the doc kind of implied?...there are several projects going on...but i think his is one of the most well known.

We had Peter Taylor of rewilding fame come and lecture at my college...his book "Beyond Conservation" is well worth looking at if this doc got you thinking?

Good point the point i was trying to make was that it was a good idea what he was doing with his estate, unlike his neighbours who didn't join in. Lets hope he succeeds in his project

[Dan Salter]

Originally Posted by deer boy

Good point the point i was trying to make was that it was a good idea what he was doing with his estate, unlike his neighbours who didn't join in. Lets hope he succeeds in his project

I hope it works...and although i enjoy walking/hiking...the mountaineering/ramblers guy...well...its just being difficult for the sake of it, of all the land in the highlands they CAN walk...they are moaning because they cant walk through his project??.

I would put a gate in and give all the ramblers a key, stock the estate with wolves, bears, lynx, wildboar and Wildcat...then say, you are more than welcome to all come walking through!

[Kayleigh]

Originally Posted by Dan Salter

I hope it works...and although i enjoy walking/hiking...the mountaineering/ramblers guy...well...its just being difficult for the sake of it, of all the land in the highlands they CAN walk...they are moaning because they cant walk through his project??.

I would put a gate in and give all the ramblers a key, stock the estate with wolves, bears, lynx, wildboar and Wildcat...then say, you are more than welcome to all come walking through!

Then he would get sued if a rambler got attacked

[VinceS]

It is a tremendous idea to have a wild reserve and I hope he succeeds. Nothing in this life is risk free, life is about accessing the risk and minimising your exposure to that risk. . If you go into an area where there are wild animals then you take a risk.To the best of my knowledge most wild animals stay clear of man and unless threatened do not attack. Having the right to roam also carries with it responsibilites, to recognise the right of all other creatures and plants to live on that land.

Vince

[Billy Wobble Dagger]

There is a programme on the the Horse and Country channel (sky Ch280)tonight (10:30) about the Aigas wild life retreat. Its a repeat from last night very interesting and lots of great wildlife.

BWD

[ron1863]

Originally Posted by VinceS

Wednesday 16th April BBC2 8pm "Natural World". A millionaire's attempt to reintroduce - moose, wildboar, Wolves and bears into Scotland.

Vince

Didn't see the programme but is this the same man who Johnny Kingdom visited near Inverness and who was breeding Beavers?

[Billy Wobble Dagger]

Originally Posted by ron1863

Didn't see the programme but is this the same man who Johnny Kingdom visited near Inverness and who was breeding Beavers?

The very same. There is a web site as well if your interested

Aigas Field Centre - Wildlife holidays in Scotland - watch beavers, pine martens, badgers, capercaillie & golden eagles in Scotland.

BWD

[ron1863]

Originally Posted by Billy Wobble Dagger

The very same. There is a web site as well if your interested

Aigas Field Centre - Wildlife holidays in Scotland - watch beavers, pine martens, badgers, capercaillie & golden eagles in Scotland.

BWD

Cheers for that and the link, which is very interesting

[Dan Salter]

Erm? some confusion going on here guys.....read the last few posts.

Rons question and "quote" is about the Natural World program about Paul Listers rewilding project at Allerdale.

Billy wobbles reply is about Aigas field centre, which i presume is the guy Johnny went to see in the 'Johnny Goes to Scotland' program (who came and visited johnny in the last episode)

2 different people and 2 different projects.

[Billy Wobble Dagger]

Originally Posted by ron1863

Didn't see the programme but is this the same man who Johnny Kingdom visited near Inverness and who was breeding Beavers?

Having read Dan's comment.

No Ron, it's a totally different programme. Johnney went to Aigas, and that's the same place, that the Horse and Country channel had a programme about the other day . Paul Lister has a different reserve that was shown on the Natural World series.

I hope that has cleared up any Erm confusion

BWD

[kent marshman]

Originally Posted by VinceS

Wednesday 16th April BBC2 8pm "Natural World". A millionaire's attempt to reintroduce - moose, wildboar, Wolves and bears into Scotland.

Vince

hi all , ive been on alladale estate many times over the past 10 yrs and been involved with deer and wildlife management all over scotland and england, i went to the first meeting mr lister had with local people and estate owners , this only came about because a national paper leaked what he wanted to do, this upset the locals because it was the first they new about it. the program was a bit one sided and didnt voice all the concerns made by the locals such as the increase in traffic, its about as remote as it gets with only a single track road with passing places, there is also concerns about the construction of roads and fences which can course silt to wash into the river and damage the salmon spawning grounds. its a fantastic idear of mr lister but i think he wants to see it all happen in his life time but as we all know it takes hundreds of years to put rigth what man has done. you have to learn to walk before you can run.

[Dan Salter]

This is the part that confused me because in terms of true rewilding....once fenced or the area decided, there is meant to be no management, or interference from man (other than maybe scientists and ecologists for monitoring and scientific research reasons)...so why and how are there going to be allowed hoardes of public to go there? its not a safari park?...other than the "public" side of things im still all for his plans im afraid.

[kent marshman]

[quote=Dan Salter;267969]This is the part that confused me because in terms of true rewilding....once fenced or the area decided, there is meant to be no management, or interference from man (other than maybe scientists and ecologists for monitoring and scientific research reasons)...so why and how are there going to be allowed hoardes of public to go there? its not a safari park?...other than the "public" side of things im still all for his plans im afraid.[/QUOTE

true rewilding i dont think theres such a thing unless you just walk away and leave it to nature, if you want it back how it was you have to plant thousands of trees first then let the animals back in but that takes a long time, this is what S.N.H wants to do but they think the best way is to wipe out the deer which is what their doing on a lot of estates its sad that the deer are just about classed as vermin by S.N.H

[Dan Salter]

[quote=kent marshman;267977]

Originally Posted by Dan Salter

This is the part that confused me because in terms of true rewilding....once fenced or the area decided, there is meant to be no management, or interference from man (other than maybe scientists and ecologists for monitoring and scientific research reasons)...so why and how are there going to be allowed hoardes of public to go there? its not a safari park?...other than the "public" side of things im still all for his plans im afraid.[/QUOTE

true rewilding i dont think theres such a thing unless you just walk away and leave it to nature, if you want it back how it was you have to plant thousands of trees first then let the animals back in but that takes a long time, this is what S.N.H wants to do but they think the best way is to wipe out the deer which is what their doing on a lot of estates its sad that the deer are just about classed as vermin by S.N.H

Just walking away and leaving it to nature is exactly the idea behind it!...Im not even happy about him "planting" trees, the idea is to let succession takes its natural course and the trees will come back in good time once the predators (wolves etc) keep the deer numbers down which graze or browse any regrowth before it has chance to establish

[kent marshman]

[quote=Dan Salter;268091]

Originally Posted by kent marshman

Just walking away and leaving it to nature is exactly the idea behind it!...Im not even happy about him "planting" trees, the idea is to let succession takes its natural course and the trees will come back in good time once the predators (wolves etc) keep the deer numbers down which graze or browse any regrowth before it has chance to establish

i agree with you dan but i dont think the local shepards would, maybe if they treated it as a test case and see if it works,

[rlchew]

Paul Lister is to appear in a 6 part series, "The Real Monarch of the Glen", on BBC 2 Scotland at 8pm on Monday night from 7th July.

Wilderness bid landlord to be television star - Press & Journal

I think I may have some difficulty watching that down here in Essex

The article also mentions Simon King filming a new wildlife series in Shetland. Lets hope that one goes out on mainstream BBC.

Richard

[Dan Salter]

Thanks for the heads up Rich.

Shame its on scottish tv tho, although we mat get it here at a later date and the Simon King thing sounds good...he never makes a bad program in my book.