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12-09-2007, 04:08 PM
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More possible foot and mouth outbreaks...all over sky/bbc news right now. |
12-09-2007, 04:12 PM
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yeah heard it on the news this morning.. its in Surrey again.. it has now been confirmed as foot and mouth 
But Defra have yet to confirn last I heard...
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12-09-2007, 04:57 PM
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30 miles away from the lab, but still farely close all the same. Could it have spread that far? |
12-09-2007, 05:08 PM
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If you use the countryside just think about where you are going and what you could
possibly spread, particularly in any potentially infected areas,something or someone is spreading this virus don't let it be you
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12-09-2007, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by nightshade  If you use the countryside just think about where you are going and what you could
possibly spread, particularly in any potentially infected areas,something or someone is spreading this virus don't let it be you | Question!
if you are going for a walk in countryside what can you do to prevent spreading something, especially if you dont know its there??
Am asking because i do spend alot of time walking in different areas.. and would hate to be one of the ones responsible
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12-09-2007, 05:58 PM
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I was just thinking along the same lines? Keep away from cows is all i could come up with?  |
12-09-2007, 06:03 PM
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I would carry a small spray of an approved disinfectant type
One of the household sprays with an on-off nozzle
I cannot find a suitable disinfectant as these seem to be bulk
only.Isopropyl alchohol may be suitable
Chances are it will be blamed on Foxes or Badgers as the powers
that be flounder about looking for a scapegoat
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12-09-2007, 07:27 PM
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Seeing some of the shots on TV of the affected field it looked a bit like Langham Lake where there is cattle grazing, close to Egham village + a public footpath .If it is this site it's managed by National Trust + is the best site in the London area for water plants with some rare water beetles.
Sad for everyone concerned. |
12-09-2007, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Jez 30 miles away from the lab, but still farely close all the same. Could it have spread that far? | More like 15 as the disease flies.
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12-09-2007, 08:02 PM
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If it is National trust, they normaly supply buckets of disinfectant to walk through.
There is another thread on this started by stuart. I gave some links to Defras main FMD site.
On this is a link for all the publications. These publications suggest that their are risks of FMD being spread by all farm animals, vehicles, man (including in our throats  ), This can obviously be continued further by suggesting all insects, birds, mammals etc.The list goes on.
After the last outbreak, Defra and the goverment had apparently made an investigation. The conclusion of this was that ithe most possible means of transportation of FMD at the time was the endless amounts of rain, floods etc. At the moment it seems Badgers and foxs are in the clear for the moment. Sure they will find some thing else soon though
They also say (in short)
Apart from not walking through the control zone, there is little more you can do other than stay out of the countryside. Where this is dissinfectant supplied, use it. use footpaths and do not walk through grazing land, keep dogs on leads. Always the same.
Just thought a possible idea would be to put plastic bags over your boots, and change them for every field.
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13-09-2007, 04:48 PM
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i was thinking about the spread via other wildlife and got onto the lines that as far as i understand its only cloven hoofed animals that can CONTRACT it...so i was thinking...ok...the deer will get the blame.
But i guess any animal can "pass" on or carry the disease on their hoove's ( hoofs?), feet, claws, fur etc really?...so yeah..foxes, Badgers etc will get a rough time too. |
13-09-2007, 04:51 PM
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The precautions taken where I work include a pool of Citric Acid
for vehicle tyres but as yet I cannot find out the dilution
Plastic bags sound like a good idea but the life may be a little short
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14-09-2007, 05:53 AM
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Only last week we had live calves leaving form Ipswich docks to go over the the continent for veal maybe the ban on movement should of lasted longer.
Thankfully there were lots of protesters, I know they didn't stop it but hopefully it will help, there is no need for this sort of thing to happen they can farm their own livestock 
It is a mad world we live in at the moment with all this importing and exporting |
20-09-2007, 06:34 AM
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I heard on the radio this morning there's a possible case in Solihull now. Really bad news if it's confirmed. |
20-09-2007, 06:48 AM
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Anyone know how long the virus can survive outside a body? Is it like anthrax?
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20-09-2007, 07:55 AM
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A 0.2% solution of Citric acid is apparently the Defra recommendation for disinfecting
as I said earlier this carried in a spray for your boots may help lessen any risk
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20-09-2007, 08:18 AM
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Just take some oranges in yer pack up. 
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20-09-2007, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by nightshade A 0.2% solution of Citric acid is apparently the Defra recommendation for disinfecting
as I said earlier this carried in a spray for your boots may help lessen any risk | Thats worth knowing, thanx
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29-09-2007, 02:37 PM
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For those interested in the spread of foot and mouth disease, they might like to read some info by a gentlemen that spent 23 years experimenting with this disease in cattle. They can either go to the following link: Agriculture Library Index
and then go down the page to the following book and download it:
Howard, Sir Albert. Farming And Gardening For Health Or Disease. London: Faber and Faber, 1945.
Or for those that don't have the time or the inclination to read through the book, they can find an extract here that was originally published in What Doctors Don't Tell You. Animal Aid: FOOT AND MOUTH - A disease of intensive farming |
09-10-2007, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Kerry For those interested in the spread of foot and mouth disease, they might like to read some info by a gentlemen that spent 23 years experimenting with this disease in cattle. They can either go to the following link: Agriculture Library Index
and then go down the page to the following book and download it:
Howard, Sir Albert. Farming And Gardening For Health Or Disease. London: Faber and Faber, 1945.
Or for those that don't have the time or the inclination to read through the book, they can find an extract here that was originally published in What Doctors Don't Tell You. Animal Aid: FOOT AND MOUTH - A disease of intensive farming | thanx, at a quick glance, its worth downloading the full book. More reading 
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09-10-2007, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Meles meles thanx, at a quick glance, its worth downloading the full book. More reading |
There are some cracking books on that site so it is worth perusing others once you have read that one. |
09-10-2007, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Kerry There are some cracking books on that site so it is worth perusing others once you have read that one. | Just trying to read through the ones i have. Will have a look though - cheers
Actualy i have just moved to an area just inside the surrey red zone.
I can see the end signs from my window, so thankfully not too close, Could you imagine that. Not being able to go out for a short walk in the afternoons
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09-10-2007, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Meles meles Just trying to read through the ones i have. Will have a look though - cheers
Actualy i have just moved to an area just inside the surrey red zone.
I can see the end signs from my window, so thankfully not too close, Could you imagine that. Not being able to go out for a short walk in the afternoons | Not being able to go out walking would be my idea of a nightmare. I walk at least four miles a day, every day and frequently more. One consolation for you: at least you now have some good reading to fill the time.  |
09-10-2007, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Kerry Not being able to go out walking would be my idea of a nightmare. I walk at least four miles a day, every day and frequently more. One consolation for you: at least you now have some good reading to fill the time. | With two Badger setts only ten minutes away from where i am, Its a bit hard to stay in. Got two more new books last week.
Any way thanx
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