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Old 08-05-2007, 02:46 PM
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Storyville: An english village - BBC showing bias towards pro fox hunters

Sorry for the rather long length and on an old debate - but i only saw this late last nite on the signing section.

Was watching a documentry about life in a country village. The programme opened with talking to a farmer and then the cameraman/narrator then went on to Fox hunting, describing it as a (i forget his exact words, sorry) something along the lines of a fine sighe/great tradition and then cutting to a scene with the farmers wife shouting at the hounds chasing a Fox, in a rather aggresive (dare i say it bloodthirsty) tone, obviously being careful what she said, which i found a bit alarming. She then went on to say how its the most effective form of control and calling everyone who disagrees ignorant. Please note I do understand foxes numbers do have to be controlled sometimes (though woinder if sometimes if stronger chicken coops etc would work better in some cases, but admit lack of knowledge about this) but think there is a more humane way.

It was rather insightful with the constant and rather insulting accusing of 'townies' not having a clue whats going on and whats right for the countryside, straight after saying that Fox hunters arn't a snooty lot that look down on people. lol

The cameraman briefly mentioned that some people in the countryside were against it but then spoke to 3+ people about how banning it would be wrong and 1 stating how the Fox always has its neck broken straight away and the ripping apart always happens after (contary to footage ive seen....), and that townies cant stand the sight of death but country folk live in the real world and are used to it and its humane, - never mind the chasing for miles of an animal with natural predators.... He then went on to moan about the fact that townies have no problem with Rabbits and rats leading me to 2 points - they have natural predators and that there numbers wouldnt be so high if there were more foxes...

They then to talk to terrier owners hunting the foxes by digging them out and shooting then who said in Scotland the foxes are going extinct because people like them are killing them all, as they leave them for the Fox hunters. Is this true? And what about Fox hunting being the best form of control?

Then they satarted talking about how Fox hunting is their livelyhood, dismissing drag hunting as an option, but with no reasoning for this.

The programme ended with the first hunt after the ban came into force. One vowing to hunt a Fox anyway and of course there was a massive turnout to be filmed, nothing to do with the fact they'd be on TV of course...

This is the stuff that shocked me most. First to constant badgering by the cameraman of the farmers son about how they've cruelly banned his hobby until he cried and then filming him crying and still badgering him about it. Then they cut to people vowing to hunt what method they could - is it normal to be this bloodthirsty?

But the worst piece of 'documentry' making was the scene of the farmers family riding in the opposite direction as the drag hunt started, after previously stating its not the same as hunting a Fox, and then the scene of a silent family with crying faces deprivied of there tradition etc. But left me with the thought: if there traditions meant so much, why did they not carry them on in the humane way they could?

Im not sure what other peoples views are on Fox hunting but this film showed blatent bias towards the Pro Fox hunting lobby. I thought the Beeb was meant to be neutral?
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Old 08-05-2007, 04:56 PM
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Re: Storyville: An english village - BBC showing bias towards pro fox hunters

Hunting ,especially Fox hunting is a very emotive subject on a wildlife site
there is however quite a balanced view on this site as previous threads
will show
I will admit that it is a colourful and historic side to countrylife,a social event
that added excitment to the lives of many hardworking people that was later
usurped by the very wealthy its passing will make the world a greyer place
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Old 08-05-2007, 05:16 PM
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Re: Storyville: An english village - BBC showing bias towards pro fox hunters

I never saw the programme myself but have seen many programmes about this subject in the past. One fact that we can be sure of is that foxes are hunted because the hunters enjoy it. They are NOT hunted to control their numbers as the hunters regularly feed the foxes to help them survive and breed. I've heard so many pathetic excuses over the years by people in favour of Fox hunting. They ARE bloodthirsty, why I don't know and they truly enjoy the experience, the same way the Spanish enjoy bullfighting, people enjoy illegal dog fighting ( still legal in some countries ), people enjoy Badger baiting, people going out shooting what ever takes their fancy at the time. The list is endless. These people only endorse animal welfare when it suits them. Animals should be protected from harm, not tortured to death, it's not quick for a Fox to be torn to pieces, it's barbaric. It's something I'm very proud to feel strongly about. Not everyone in the country agrees with it and not everyone in towns is against it. It depends on the person and how much of the truth they actually know about.
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Old 18-05-2007, 09:35 PM
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Re: Storyville: An english village - BBC showing bias towards pro fox hunters

I dont agree with killing anything for fun or for sport but i would stress that not everybody who hunts (in the wider sense rather than just riding to hounds) is a blood thirsty barbarian.

There are situations where foxes need to be controlled, for instance I know of at least one wildlife trust which controls them to protect ground nesting birds - but chasing them accross country with a pack of hounds is not an effective way to do it - going out at night with a lamp and a rifle , or a lamp and a long dog (collie cross lurcher) is far more effective.

and in answer to the original post it doesnt sound as tho that was the most balanced or well made documentary , but then I have also seen documentaries which are overly biased in the other direction - I think the beeb does quite a good job of being neutral as a channel in that they show documentaries covering both viewpoints.
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Old 18-05-2007, 09:38 PM
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If these Hunts men really want to hunt Foxes for pleasure why dont they do it on foot with out horses and dogs.. See how many they catch then.. when on a even keel with the Foxes
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Re: Storyville: An english village - BBC showing bias towards pro fox hunters

without adding fuel to , which i think is an allready smouldering fire , my colleague and i have "disscusions" about this all the time. he is off the opinion the only good Fox is a dead one, while my belief is nature will win in the end and a balance will be acheived. to me hunting any wild animal for sport is barbaric but on the other hand for food no! . this is no longer a part of life .nowadays if you want food you buy it from a shop , it's alot easier than going up a hill and shooting a deer . this country should have eat what you kill policy in hunting circles and see how many folk can survive on Fox burgers
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