Fighting dogs

[Dan Salter]

hee hee ok put the kettle on but dont be upset if i have a peg on my nose and wearing a bite proof suit of armour !

its only my opinion....dont get rattled by me or offended....i enjoy winding up any dog owner friends i have...ha ha

also...i wish i could cope with the drunk all the time student life but im 33 and my hangovers should win medals so im almost t total....apart from im supping some sloe gin at the moment.

Dont smoke anymore and gave up the drugs years ago so im a pretty lame student. Plus i wash regularly and dont talk in a monotone drone.

[Garden Carpet]

Originally Posted by Dan Salter

hee hee ok put the kettle on but dont be upset if i have a peg on my nose and wearing a bite proof suit of armour !

its only my opinion....dont get rattled by me or offended....i enjoy winding up any dog owner friends i have...ha ha

also...i wish i could cope with the drunk all the time student life but im 33 and my hangovers should win medals so im almost t total....apart from im supping some sloe gin at the moment.

Dont smoke anymore and gave up the drugs years ago so im a pretty lame student. Plus i wash regularly and dont talk in a monotone drone.

Ok... you can visit the dogs agree

[HARIMAU1610]

There is no mechanism that locks any of the "Bull breeds" jaws. It seems the crosses between the original bull dog and strains of terrier have created and incredible bite short based muzzle and unwillingness to let go. (This is due to the original now extinct bulldog) Having the ability to grip and breath at the same time. Other bulls breeds snatch a breath between hanging and shaking. The bloodlines of certain Pitbulls are indeed breed simply for one reason the destruction of his identical enemy. I have met both sides of the coin. That goes for the dog and the owners. I cannot sanction the destruction of the Bull breeds as a whole as this is just nonsence. However with this said if the dogs is in anyway a danger it should be taken from the gene pool so to speak. Dog fighting is still a big underground attraction and should we focus our attention on wipping out this activity and the so called "men" rather than the breeds involved. As far as you look in the bull breeds history it shines blood red however I have owned a very large staff many say is "pit" and after ten years we are still rocking still polite and still chilled.

I brought my dog up well and socialised hime from early with everything I came across. I believe on the whole that this is the best way. However there will always be one to break the rules. The other thing I have always done is neber let my guard down when faced with any dog

THE harimau

[Dennis1234567]

The police,have found a dozen or so pitbull dogs bred for, and taken part in dog fighting, most will have heard that by now on the news. The police will have them put down, we all know that. Having read this thread i have to ask.........


........anyone trust one enough to have as a family pet?

[HARIMAU1610]

Two kids aged 2 and 5 months and as said above many people think my big leggy staff is pit......He adores my kids and they him....If you bring them up good and treat them well they fair amazing as a family pet. Obvioulsy they have the potential to be very dangerous if provoked and baited from a pup.

Its a tricky debate and I dont think it will be easily sorted. Alot of "good fighting" dogs neversee light of day and are only moved for a fight. All stitching, training and fights are very clandestine....I would rather see the activitys stamped out over the breed,

HARIMAU

[leon-b]

yes staffy are good with kids, we have had a few people if ours is a pit bull aswell
leon

[HARIMAU1610]

Originally Posted by leon-b

yes staffy are good with kids, we have had a few people if ours is a pit bull aswell
leon

I used to live in Ipswich with my Staffy about 5 years ago.......

[Paul mabbott]

Originally Posted by HARIMAU1610

Two kids aged 2 and 5 months and as said above many people think my big leggy staff is pit......He adores my kids and they him....If you bring them up good and treat them well they fair amazing as a family pet. Obvioulsy they have the potential to be very dangerous if provoked and baited from a pup.

Yes..... but terriers are bred to bite: it's not just 'if provoked and baited' - some individuals are just manic. A friend of mine was the manager of a problematic estate in Camden and he liked to have a companion when visiting troublesome tenants. The Stafforshire Bull never attacked children to the best of my knowledge but it hated ties - it would come up to anyone wearing one and start chewing: could well have strangled you. However, apart from this, never heard a bad word from it until one evening, sitting there calmly drinking a glass of wine, it came up and took hold of my lower leg in its jaws ... no provocation whatever. It took three people to get it off and I still have the scars ... So, I don't actually go for the theory that terriers are basically harmless if treated well - I think they're all potential terrorists.

[HARIMAU1610]

Originally Posted by Paul mabbott

Yes..... but terriers are bred to bite: it's not just 'if provoked and baited' - some individuals are just manic. A friend of mine was the manager of a problematic estate in Camden and he liked to have a companion when visiting troublesome tenants. The Stafforshire Bull never attacked children to the best of my knowledge but it hated ties - it would come up to anyone wearing one and start chewing: could well have strangled you. However, apart from this, never heard a bad word from it until one evening, sitting there calmly drinking a glass of wine, it came up and took hold of my lower leg in its jaws ... no provocation whatever. It took three people to get it off and I still have the scars ... So, I don't actually go for the theory that terriers are basically harmless if treated well - I think they're all potential terrorists.

Its good that we all differ on how we view subjects and I am glad you have an opinion through your experience. My personal view of the staffordshire bull terrier is founded through my own personal experience with the breed and my own dog. I agree they can be a potential terrorist as can a poodle or labrador (my sister in law still carries the scars on her face from a lab attack also unprovoked and they are bad scars) but I belive that they are made this way. All dog breeds are potentialy dangerous if they are given the chance and opportunity to without a dedicated owner. How come my dog is fine ? How come he has been attacked by every dog under the sun and has still never retaliated ? Maybe because I have trained him well maybe I have put some time into him? My dog is the opposite of the dog that attacked you. However I never let my guard down with my or any dog after all this would be carless and not the sign of a responsible owner. It will always provoke a passionate debate and perhaps we will never reach the same conclusion but this is only to be expected we are after all different. In the mean time I hope my dog serves as an ambasador for the bull breeds and shows of the sensible and amiable side of this often missunderstood breed.



Take care and watch out for poodles.........

harimau

[honeybee]

This thread was obviously sparked by the tragic death of that little girl. I don't know the outcome but it's possible the idiot, drug dealer owner had given his dog steroids to make it bigger. Steroids effect the behaviour of people and make them more agressive and can change you physically andd mentally and i pressume would do similar to another animal. One good thing to come out of the deaths and injuries is that the whole problem of unlawful breeding of pitbulls with the intention to make them aggressive is being highlighted and investigated.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by honeybee

This thread was obviously sparked by the tragic death of that little girl. I don't know the outcome but it's possible the idiot, drug dealer owner had given his dog steroids to make it bigger. Steroids effect the behaviour of people and make them more agressive and can change you physically andd mentally and i pressume would do similar to another animal. One good thing to come out of the deaths and injuries is that the whole problem of unlawful breeding of pitbulls with the intention to make them aggressive is being highlighted and investigated.

The idiot drug dealer concerned may well have been active in the dog fighting field and thus have known about the potential for roid rage and actively encouraged it - it is a shame that it wasnt him that paid the price for such assinine behaviour.

Back when I was a ranger I was involved in an incident in which a pitbull attacked a springer spaniel - I was called upon to intervene and had to hit the pit bull 8 times across the head with a 6 cell maglite to make it let go - then it came at me and got me on the left arm (fortunately padded with a jacket in preparation for such circs) - long story short I eventually fought free of it by blugeoning it another 9 or 10 times with my torch, then armed police arived and shot the dog dead

It was later determined that its pleasant and charrming owner had put a jalepeno pepper up its bottom - which probably goes someway to explaining its uncontrolled agression.

I suffered a hairline fracture of my radius - and was lucky to come off so lightly, the springer spaniel needed surgery and 45 stiches - but eventually recovered.

I know that not all pit bulls , or owners fall into this category , but there is no doubt that violent and agressive people are more attracted to owning agressive animals - After all last year police in dublin raided a drug house and discovered that the dealer was keeping an amur tiger in his living room

[Gue Jam Fowsid]

Originally Posted by leon-b

somebody told me that staffordshire bull terriers have locking jaws, when they get a good hold they lock and wont let go is this true ?
leon

I'm fairly sure this is rubbish. Staffies and the American pit bull terrier are both canines and would have a similar jaw structure to any other dog. Otherwise they may be classed as a different species.

I think they just have very powerful jaws and sometimes people just say that to try and justify they're strength.

[Dennis1234567]

American Bulldog club says it's refusal to let go is purely down to the dog being gamefull enough to do it.

[Paul mabbott]

This looks more peaceable!
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[aestarte]

Originally Posted by RogerTheCat

There are far more bad owners than bad dogs.

I totally agree we had some anti-social neighbours that we had to fight to get rid of. Any hoo they had a beautiful staff crossed with a boxer. She was a beautiful, loving dog but she was left outside a couple of summers ago and she was so bored we fed her a bit and gave her drinks as she was left with nothing all day. Her barking became an issue and eventually the dog went, she was incredibly thin and a pittiful sight. A couple of weeks later we heard on the news that a staff cross had been pulled out of the canal so we thought that was her. Last Christmas though we saw a familliar dog with a most familliar bark and sure enough it was her. She was twice the size and fit and healthy, her new owner told us that while these other scum had her they were feeding her extacy (spelling) tablets to make her visious (spelling) for a fight in Bristol. I'm just so glad she has got a second chance. Seeing her made our Christmas. You cant blame the dog, how can you?!!! Fi. X X X X

[Coley]

Originally Posted by lacie

All down to man!!

Yes I agree, but wasn't it down to man to tame the dog in the first place. Imagine what it would be like if packs of wild dogs were runing around like they must have done many, many years ago.

[honeybee]

Originally Posted by Coley

Yes I agree, but wasn't it down to man to tame the dog in the first place. Imagine what it would be like if packs of wild dogs were runing around like they must have done many, many years ago.

We domestiated them, they didn't even exist. Most dogs (all dogs? I wrote a thesis with a chapter on it and can't quite remember, was a while ago) being descended from wolves. I think the pharoah hound and dingos are an ancient breed and ofcourse the wild african dogs and so on.

[Coley]

Originally Posted by honeybee

We domestiated them, they didn't even exist. Most dogs (all dogs? I wrote a thesis with a chapter on it and can't quite remember, was a while ago) being descended from wolves. I think the pharoah hound and dingos are an ancient breed and ofcourse the wild african dogs and so on.

The fact that dogs decended from wolves and such dawned on me today, so yesterday I had a dim moment.

[ChrisJB]

Whoever first coined the phrase 'man's best friend', got it absolutely right as far as I am concerned. I consider myself fortunate to have been brought up with dogs and I think they are just great! Whilst I will often go out of my way to talk to or stroke dogs I don't know, I am not an idiot either, and wouldn't dream of pushing my luck with a lip-curling Doberman (though I have mixed experiences with this breed. A boyhood pal owned one, that loved being stroked, but would snarl at you and show its teeth if you stopped stroking! After a visit my arm would ache like mad!)

The missus on the other hand, is pretty scared of dogs, though I am not surprised, as her parents demonised them when she was a nipper. Mind you, she is petrified of cows, horses and rams too when we are on our walks.

Regards, Chris

[HARIMAU1610]

Originally Posted by Gue Jam Fowsid

I'm fairly sure this is rubbish. Staffies and the American pit bull terrier are both canines and would have a similar jaw structure to any other dog. Otherwise they may be classed as a different species.

I think they just have very powerful jaws and sometimes people just say that to try and justify they're strength.

This is true there is no locking mechanism. Bull breeds where breed to have an incredible bite and jaw strength hence the short broad muzzle you see on bull mastif, bull dog, bull terrier, Staffords etc. However one interesting adaptation to the normal dog jaw is that of the bulldog which has the capacity to grip an object and still breath clearly through its nose which other breeds struggle with its called an underslung jaw. This was an adaptation developed for the original bulldog (now extinct) to be able to grip a bull by the nose and still breath while it attempted to bring it down it was not uncommon for thirty or forty bulldogs to be killed in a day of bull baiting. I have also read this is why the old bulldog had wrinkles running away from the eyes to allow blood to be carried along these away from the eye in bull baiting. An ugly sport which deemed a very strong jaw almost un removable in some cases....When bull baiting was banned the dogs in question where unsuitable for fighting as they just held on to each other and so spelled the end of the original British Bulldog...The dog was breed systematically with small terrier which where renowed for there aggressive and dogged temperaments which was ideal for fighting...So they crossed the the two breeds and along came the Staffordshires bull terriers, English Bull terriers and Pit bull terriers and American staffs etc.....So the breeds inherited the jaw power and grip from the old dogs bull baiting dogs of England. The closest descendant of the old bulldog today is the Staffordshire bull terrier. The modern day bull dog is very much a bastardisation of the breed in my opinion. The bull breeds history is very interesting and also a very very dark passage in humans relashionships with dogs. Some dogs today still have traces of bulldog in them such as the spaniel apparently it was given a shot of bulldog blood for courage in the field.

Ian

[honeybee]

Originally Posted by Coley

The fact that dogs decended from wolves and such dawned on me today, so yesterday I had a dim moment.

Don't worry Coley, I often think I should be blonde (no offence to blonds and blondes!)

[Bullseye]

Many people forget that dogs are not "just little people in a fur coat", they are governed by a completely different set of rules, ie, wolfpack.Want to know how a dog thinks? study wolves. The reason they get on so well with humans is because they have a "pack" to belong to.But,the various fighting dogs have been bred for agression,it takes a knowledgable person to train them properly.Personaly I would never trust any dog with children,and I've seen too many of these dogs with their chav/council type owners attacking people/other dogs with no warning.(I have a theory about these types, I think they are trying to compensate about some part of their own anatomy,so everytime I see one giving Tyrone walkies I can't help thinking "Bet he's got a small d***" !!