Fighting dogs

[Boddie]

You insert your finger where the sun dont shine. Not nice but as you can imagine it would distract the dog. I have never tried it, but heard it from a good source

[Wild-Woman]

Originally Posted by Garden Carpet

When I had my sister's 4 dogs here with mine.. my bitch and one of hers sometimes had terrible fights... the only way I could seperate them was by picking the attacking dog up by its tail. Cruel in a way but it loses all traction and lets go. Not the answer if you are being bitten by a dog. Some people suggest hitting the dog on the head with your fist.. or kicking it in the stomach. I never used those methods, I felt that would antagonise the animal not subdue it. I have stopped a dog biting me by putting my thumb in its mouth under its tongue while holding the lower jaw with the rest of my hand and pressing really hard.

I am eager to hear what method you use boddie.

I witnessed a dog fight last year. It was horrible. The owners could not prize them apart. Eventually a person in a nearby house took a hose to them, directed the water straight into the dogs faces and up their nasal passages so they had to let go because they couldn't breathe. The injuries to both dogs and owners were awful.
Took me an hour to stop shaking. Never want to witness that again.

[lewisa]

I dont agree with the blanket culling of all of these dogs, however, I do agree with banning breeding (as is already the case) and allowing the current population to die out through natural course.

That is the essense of what the Dangerous Dogs act is about, no more breeding. But this is being ignored.

Therefore if it was up to me, I would force all dogs to be neutered to make the dying out of the breed gauranteed but as humane as possible.

After this was in place, anybody owning a sexualy able dog should be improsoned big time.

[Boddie]

Originally Posted by lewisa

I dont agree with the blanket culling of all of these dogs, however, I do agree with banning breeding (as is already the case) and allowing the current population to die out through natural course.

That is the essense of what the Dangerous Dogs act is about, no more breeding. But this is being ignored.

Therefore if it was up to me, I would force all dogs to be neutered to make the dying out of the breed gauranteed but as humane as possible.

After this was in place, anybody owning a sexualy able dog should be improsoned big time.

I agree totally.

[honeybee]

Originally Posted by leon-b

somebody told me that staffordshire bull terriers have locking jaws, when they get a good hold they lock and wont let go is this true ?
leon

Yes, they're intended to bring an animal down and not let go. Our English bull terrier (a complete softy with other animals and people) did this to a bull once, had hold of it's nose. It's what they're bred to do.

[honeybee]

BBC NEWS | Magazine | How do you fend off a dangerous dog?

[Boddie]

Originally Posted by honeybee

Yes, they're intended to bring an animal down and not let go. Our English bull terrier (a complete softy with other animals and people) did this to a bull once, had hold of it's nose. It's what they're bred to do.

are bulls not animals then?

[nightshade]

I have said that an otherwise well behaved pit bull catches Hedgehogs,
unrolls them then bites and kills them police say need evidence
Terriers will hang on; dogs perhaps a squeeze or the testicals ?,bitches
do not know

[mrs fish]

I have a little staff/jack russell cross and he doesn't like other dogs, awhile back me and him had a run in with two rottis who were not muzzled or on a lead, it was horrible I had to save my little dog and this is the injury I received, I reported it to the police and soon after that little girl was killed
My arm

[honeybee]

Originally Posted by Boddie

are bulls not animals then?

I said "other animals"

I was a child at the time, think Mr Moo came at us first.

Bull terrier not liking bovines is normal, only a hundred or so years ago they were used for bull baiting.

[honeybee]

Originally Posted by mrs fish

I have a little staff/jack russell cross and he doesn't like other dogs, awhile back me and him had a run in with two rottis who were not muzzled or on a lead, it was horrible I had to save my little dog and this is the injury I received, I reported it to the police and soon after that little girl was killed
My arm

That's awful, hope the police did something. Sickening that that bloke had been warned before about his dog, should've been taken off him. These big dogs are like status symbols to yobbos and chavs.

[Garden Carpet]

Originally Posted by Wild-Woman

I witnessed a dog fight last year. It was horrible. The owners could not prize them apart. Eventually a person in a nearby house took a hose to them, directed the water straight into the dogs faces and up their nasal passages so they had to let go because they couldn't breathe. The injuries to both dogs and owners were awful.
Took me an hour to stop shaking. Never want to witness that again.

During the time they were with me Julie I shocked the builder off his ladder cos I took the dogs' water bowl.. a washing up bowl as there were 6 dogs.. and threw it over the two fighters.... in my dining room... didn't half make a mess.. but it did stop them. I stopped other fights by picking up the aggressor by the tail. Pickle is a staffy cross..and once latched on she wouldn' normally let go and she hated my little bitch. It worked evertime after that and didnt make such a mess .

Perhaps one solution to the problem would be that all such animals are muzzled at all times apart from when feeding. I do know that isnt a nice option for the dog.. but it is better than somone being mauled. I would like to see all owners of 'dangerous' breeds given mandatory training with their dogs. They should not be allowed to take on such dogs without it.
jaki

[leon-b]

Originally Posted by honeybee

Yes, they're intended to bring an animal down and not let go. Our English bull terrier (a complete softy with other animals and people) did this to a bull once, had hold of it's nose. It's what they're bred to do.

what happened to the dog ? what did the bull do ?
leon

[Paul mabbott]

Yes, the dog freaks come out with these arguments that, "it's not the dog but the owner" - small consolation for people who are mauled by them. The humane way is to shoot them .... and the dogs ....

Originally Posted by lewisa

I dont agree with the blanket culling of all of these dogs, however, I do agree with banning breeding (as is already the case) and allowing the current population to die out through natural course.

That is the essense of what the Dangerous Dogs act is about, no more breeding. But this is being ignored.

Therefore if it was up to me, I would force all dogs to be neutered to make the dying out of the breed gauranteed but as humane as possible.

After this was in place, anybody owning a sexualy able dog should be improsoned big time.

[Garden Carpet]

Originally Posted by Paul mabbott

Yes, the dog freaks come out with these arguments that, "it's not the dog but the owner" - small consolation for people who are mauled by them. The humane way is to shoot them .... and the dogs ....

Yes Paul I agree.. small consolation. It is however the truth. A dog is a willing creature and will only know how to behave in our society if shown how to do so.

I resent being called a dog freak because I like and believe in an animal you clearly do not like
Jaki

[honeybee]

Originally Posted by leon-b

what happened to the dog ? what did the bull do ?
leon

I wasn't very old so can't remember, think it ran up to us so the dog acted on instinct, she was fine, the bull was shocked. Instantly subdues most bovines I think, that's why they put rings through bulls noses, it's quite sensitive.

[Paul mabbott]

I didn't realise that I was calling you a 'dog freak'. Personally I have nothing much against dogs but can only see them as part of some humans. Some bad and some good in both species. However, in the context of this discussion, we are talking about vicious owners rearing vicious dogs: one or both must be controlled!

Originally Posted by Garden Carpet

Yes Paul I agree.. small consolation. It is however the truth. A dog is a willing creature and will only know how to behave in our society if shown how to do so.
I resent being called a dog freak because I like and believe in an animal you clearly do not like Jaki

[Garden Carpet]

Originally Posted by Paul mabbott

Yes, the dog freaks come out with these arguments that, "it's not the dog but the owner" - small consolation for people who are mauled by them. The humane way is to shoot them .... and the dogs ....

I didn't realise that I was calling you a 'dog freak'. Personally I have nothing much against dogs but can only see them as part of some humans. Some bad and some good in both species. However, in the context of this discussion, we are talking about vicious owners rearing vicious dogs: one or both must be controlled!

Fraid so Paul .. thats just what you said. I had said that it wasnt the dog.. it was the owner.. not in those words but the sentiment. A few others were of the same opinion that a dog is what it's owner makes of it...again.. not the exact words used.

I have had a few dogs in my time. I have cared for many more .. including RAF Police Dogs who are trained in a specific manner. They would react in a specific set of circumstances and to certain specific commands. Highly trained animals in one place and playful puppies with their handlers in another. I know that a dog is what it's owner makes of it through being with these animals. Through careful and considerate training.
Jaki

[PMG]

And I'm of the opinion that pitbulls should not be kept. When someone does have one you have to wonder why - what are they using it for? Probably as some sort of criminal accomplice (drug dealing, Badger baiting). One of the nastiest dogs I ever knew was a friends Jack Russell - it bit me every time I visited - I could not get in or out of the house without it biting and it meant it - twasn't just a nip. It cornered me in the kitchen one day while my friend was in the garden (the little sod used to stalk me!) so I did something I wouldn't normally dream of doing - I kicked it with the top of my foot and knocked it across the floor. It worked - it never got near enough after that - and it avoided being left alone with me - which was a change!

Pauline

[Dan Salter]

IMO pitbulls, staffs and every other breed of dog ( except guide and working dogs) should be wiped of the face of the earth and 90% of their irrresponsible owners.

Next time i need a poo il do it in a bag and go hang it on there front door handle !

Dan

[Garden Carpet]

Originally Posted by Dan Salter

IMO pitbulls, staffs and every other breed of dog ( except guide and working dogs) should be wiped of the face of the earth and 90% of their irrresponsible owners.

Next time i need a poo il do it in a bag and go hang it on there front door handle !

Dan

Wow Dan!! Thats a fairly contentious statement. What about all the dog owners who love and care for their dogs and wouldnt dream of leaving their dog's poo in a bag on a door handle. I have two little dogs and would be utterly lost without them. There are many others in the same position. Please dont advocate the removal of all dogs.
jaki...hiding the dogs!

[MalcolmX]

here we go again dogs are imprintable animals and are always what the ownres make of them some dogs are naturaly more aggressive as that has been bred into them over time ,the agressiveness is passive and can be repressed or agravated by the owner trainer .i have owned and trained hungarian vizslas and jack russells and always errors of behavior are the owner/ trainers fault . dogs are the best of companions unfortunatly the owners are not always .

[Garden Carpet]

Originally Posted by MalcolmX

here we go again dogs are imprintable animals and are always what the ownres make of them some dogs are naturaly more aggressive as that has been bred into them over time ,the agressiveness is passive and can be repressed or agravated by the owner trainer .i have owned and trained hungarian vizslas and jack russells and always errors of behavior are the owner/ trainers fault . dogs are the best of companions unfortunatly the owners are not always .

Hear Hear!. I would add that a dog such as attacked that little girl should be put down immediatly. Such a dog does not get a second chance!!
Jaki

[Dan Salter]

Originally Posted by Garden Carpet

Hear Hear!. I would add that a dog such as attacked that little girl should be put down immediatly. Such a dog does not get a second chance!!
Jaki

Such a dog should NEVER HAVE A FIRST CHANCE...you DO NOT own a large dog...especially a fighting dog if you have small children....or stay or visit houses with them....this happens so often it makes my blood boil.

and ok so some dogs are well trained and the owners may not put the poo in bags on trees ( but thousands do) fact is ..they still smell and dribble and knacker furniture...leave oily hairs all over the house and your clothes and bark and drive you and the neighbours insane ...even the food they eat stinks !...yuk and nearly every dog owner i see lets the dog lick their face which is utterly repulsive and as for licking dinner plates?....urgh.

Sorry but you wont turn me...hate them and always will.

And why do people who own dogs claim they dont have a dog smelly house...then you go round and it stinks of dog? its because they are used to the smell so dont notice it.
People wonder why it takes them so long to sell their house?....first tip...remove your dog while house is on market and get all your carpets professionally cleaned.

and as for dogs on nature reserves..dont get me started