2007 Tree Plant

[Fagus]

Well, it is excatly what it says. Next year, myself, and my wife, and anyone else who would like to get involved, are going to try and plant 2007 native trees. We have chosen, a few woodlands, in which to plant, and we will decide in the near future.

One woodlnd we have chosen is ajacent to the Peace camp, at Faslane, on the Clyde...(Scotland)

There are many reasons for this choice. This woodland, over the last 20 or so years, has been one of the mainstays for wood, for the camp. The camp itself will celebrate its 25th year in exsistince, and so to this end, we have decided to get planting. A tree for every day, (and more) that they have been around. This is a chance for us all to put something back to the planet and have a cracking good time, meeting like minded folk and having a grand time.

I must add, that this idea, is still in its infancy, no more than conversations, but though at the root stage, its holds water...(parden the pun)

So...thats it, it sounds a tall order, and im still scratching my hed as to where we are going to source the trees....oh and i just want to say, im NOT asking for help, im merley outlining the idea.

Id just like to say, a huge thanks to the Moderators, and the members, for letting me start this thread.

Thank you.

Fagus

[Fagus]

Hey, if anyone knows of any good Tree Nurseries in Scotland, we can contact, that would be fantastic. We aim to have the saplings, all sorted by June 07. We are also trying to source all the green covers and the stakes & ties.

We are NOT asking for funding, more for advice.

Thanks.

Fagus

[honeybee]

Sounds like a nice idea...would the woodland trust help you?

one word of advice...there are lots of well ment tree planting schemes that have no aftercare. I hate seeing poorly looked after trees with the guards embedded in them, or some just die inside them.

I'd donate a tree to a good scheme.

[Fagus]

Originally Posted by honeybee

Sounds like a nice idea...would the woodland trust help you?

one word of advice...there are lots of well ment tree planting schemes that have no aftercare. I hate seeing poorly looked after trees with the guards embedded in them, or some just die inside them.

I'd donate a tree to a good scheme.

I agree honeybee, iv also seen alot of trees die. Im intending doing the aftercare.

As for donating a tree, im going to get in touch with the Woodland Trust, once they get in touch, i'll let you know, what they say.

Thank you.

Fagus

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Fagus

I agree honeybee, iv also seen alot of trees die. Im intending doing the aftercare.

As for donating a tree, im going to get in touch with the Woodland Trust, once they get in touch, i'll let you know, what they say.

Thank you.

Fagus

first up - you do have permision from the landowner dont you ? - i know it sounds obvious but in my last job we had a big problem with well intentioned individuals planting trees into our woods without permision

secondly , one of the most important aspects of tree planting schemes is to ensure that the trees are of local provenance - the best way to ensure this is to collect seed from your target woodland , propogate it then return the saplings to site the following year - hazel and viburnum can also be propegated from pegged stems in situ - if this cant be done make sure you specify local provenance when ordering.

thirdly - funding wise , if the landowner is agreeable you could go to the forestry commision for a woodland improvement grant - their grants are being rejigged so the name may have changed but there will still be money to be had , alternatively landfill tax (sita , WREN or BIffa) or awards for all (lottery) might be possibilities.

[Fagus]

Thank you eeyore. Alot of that i didnt know. Ironically the land is owned by the M.O.D (Ministry Of Defence) so it may be a tough task trying to bring them round to our idea.

There have been plans for the woodland in the past, so this may deter them from being co'operative. I have E.mailed the Woodland Trust and will contact The Forestry Commision, in the new year.

Thank you for your help and advice.

Fagus.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Fagus

Thank you eeyore. Alot of that i didnt know. Ironically the land is owned by the M.O.D (Ministry Of Defence) so it may be a tough task trying to bring them round to our idea.

There have been plans for the woodland in the past, so this may deter them from being co'operative. I have E.mailed the Woodland Trust and will contact The Forestry Commision, in the new year.

Thank you for your help and advice.

Fagus.

the father of one of my freinds is high up in the MOD and also a guy i was at college with is now one of the conservation officers for the MOD estate so if you encounter resistance let me know and I'll see if either of them can intercede. You might be pleasantly suprised however, and they might even kick in some dosher , as this kind of project has the potential to be good PR

You do need them on board however as you wont get a grant without having the landowners permission.

when you get to grant application stage i would be happy to have a look at your application before it goes in (applying for third party funding was a big part of my last job)

[smartie]

Another route you might try if you do have problems with the MOD is to get the politicos involved. If you could get your local MP interested (being cynical, lots of them want to be seen as green these days) he/she could put pressure on the relevant MOD Minister, who might also like the publicity. If a Minister tells the civil servants to do it they generally will. The politicos might want to take the credit for the idea, but at least you would get your trees.

One of the key things in big Government Departments is to get to the right person - someone who has authority to act in the area you are interested in. If you don't know who that is Eeyore's friend might be able to help with a name?

[Fagus]

Hi and thanks so much for all your advice. There has been alot of talk in this thread about the (correct provenance)???

The woodland were hoping to plant in, is a mix of Betula pendula/pubescens,Quercus robur & peterea, with a good mix of hard and soft woods.

The species i was going to use/plant, were the same as is growing plus :-

Betula's
Sorbus
Quercus
Salix
Corylus avalena
Pinus sylvesteris, and so on. I want to try and plabnt as many native trees as possible, as this is what grows in the woodland. From my studys, and from my own common knowledge, i would say that they would be fine. If not can someone let me know otherwise.

Thank you.

Fagus

[Owl-Light]

I planted a bunch of acorns in a pot in the autumn and the first one has already sprouted. Should I hang on to them until they are bigger before finding somewhere to plant them? Does anyone know how tall or how old they should be first to be able to make it on their own?

[Fagus]

Originally Posted by Owl-Light

I planted a bunch of acorns in a pot in the autumn and the first one has already sprouted. Should I hang on to them until they are bigger before finding somewhere to plant them? Does anyone know how tall or how old they should be first to be able to make it on their own?

Hey Owl-Light, i planted Acorns in pots my garden last year, and waited till they were at least strong saplings, before transplanting them. If you can transplant them to larger pots, (if not already), then just leave them to it. You can put them in a glasshouse/Kloche. This will protect them from the worst of the weather.

Id wait till they are at least looking like young trees, till they have wooden stems. Thats my honest opinion. Quercus are fairly hardy trees. If you are thinking of planting them out in the wild, then they will need to be "wooden" and covered, to protect them from deer.

Fagus.

[Owl-Light]

Originally Posted by Fagus

Hey Owl-Light, i planted Acorns in pots my garden last year, and waited till they were at least strong saplings, before transplanting them. If you can transplant them to larger pots, (if not already), then just leave them to it. You can put them in a glasshouse/Kloche. This will protect them from the worst of the weather.

Id wait till they are at least looking like young trees, till they have wooden stems. Thats my honest opinion. Quercus are fairly hardy trees. If you are thinking of planting them out in the wild, then they will need to be "wooden" and covered, to protect them from deer.

Fagus.

Thanks Fagus. They're only just beginning to show above ground so in that case I'll re-pot them soon and hang on to them until they're woody enough to survive.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Fagus

Hi and thanks so much for all your advice. There has been alot of talk in this thread about the (correct provenance)???

The woodland were hoping to plant in, is a mix of Betula pendula/pubescens,Quercus robur & peterea, with a good mix of hard and soft woods.

The species i was going to use/plant, were the same as is growing plus :-

Betula's
Sorbus
Quercus
Salix
Corylus avalena
Pinus sylvesteris, and so on. I want to try and plabnt as many native trees as possible, as this is what grows in the woodland. From my studys, and from my own common knowledge, i would say that they would be fine. If not can someone let me know otherwise.

Thank you.

Fagus

species wise you sound fine - however the point about local provenance is that species have regional variations, so it is a good idea to plant trees sourced from the same area as the wood you are planting into rather than planting trees brought in from afar or even abroad, as some comercial tree nurseries do.

[WildGarlic]

Originally Posted by Fagus

Hey, if anyone knows of any good Tree Nurseries in Scotland, we can contact, that would be fantastic. We aim to have the saplings, all sorted by June 07. We are also trying to source all the green covers and the stakes & ties.

We are NOT asking for funding, more for advice.

Thanks.

Fagus

Whereabouts in Scotland are you? (are you the fagus that joined Neeps!?)

You could try the Forvie Tree Nursery

[Fagus]

Originally Posted by WildGarlic

Whereabouts in Scotland are you? (are you the fagus that joined Neeps!?)

You could try the Forvie Tree Nursery

Hey there WildGarlic. Good name. Im not the Fagus that joined Neeps, though iv just looked at the site, and it looks good. I shall join soon.

Im in Tayside, but i'll try the Forvie Tree Nursery. Thanks for that.

Fagus.