New IE - computer problems

Paul mabbott · #1 (**permalink**) 12-12-2006, 06:22 PM

Hello, I'm searching for computer wizards. Our computers have just up-graded themselves, including a new version of IE. All a bit different but it has caused a couple of real problems, one of which may be significant for posters on fora such as this. On one computer the bottom/horizontal scroll bar has disappeared and web pages are now all squashed up to the left ....
But the main problem, which will effect us, is that when I click on the address url at the top with the aim of doing AltE C to copy the address for pasting into a mail or whatever, it doesn't work - it's impossible to copy urls .... disaster!
Anyone familiar with this and can offer any advice?

Cheers, Paul

Adey · #2 (**permalink**) 12-12-2006, 06:30 PM

I can't help with IE as I stopped using it because it caused too many problems, but I can recommend Firefox. It is used on two PC's here and never had a problem, and it's free.

Hope this will help.

Wilf · #3 (**permalink**) 12-12-2006, 06:40 PM

Hello Paul,

I also use firefox but do have IE ver. 7. I have just tried to copy the url from the top window and it worked ok. I just highlighted the address and used alt C. As I don't use it too often I am not sure what Alt E did on previous versions.

Paul mabbott · #4 (**permalink**) 12-12-2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilf

Hello Paul,

I also use firefox but do have IE ver. 7. I have just tried to copy the url from the top window and it worked ok. I just highlighted the address and used alt C. As I don't use it too often I am not sure what Alt E did on previous versions.

Hello Wilf. Alt E used to bring up the edit box so then pressing C would copy - actually, it still brings up the edit menu but cop/paste are not working on it. They work on documents &c, it just seems that the address window has become untouchable - could it be a security setting, I wonder ....
I've just tried Alt C and that brings up the favourites menu!
Back to the drawing board. Thanks Paul

lewisa · #5 (**permalink**) 12-12-2006, 06:55 PM

Use Ctrl C and Ctrl V to copy and paste rather than using application level shortcuts.

Thats universal advice applicable to all windows applications BTW, not just to IE or browsers.

Wilf · #6 (**permalink**) 12-12-2006, 07:07 PM

Sorry Paul, my mistake. I was using the Ctrl not the Alt key.

Paul mabbott · #7 (**permalink**) 12-12-2006, 08:04 PM

Thanks, people - CtrlC works - back in business.
I wonder why it changed though? One of these things that Microsoft does to keep us alert - or confused!
Cheers, Paul

Beryl · #8 (**permalink**) 12-12-2006, 10:52 PM

I had IE 7 quite a few differences some things disapeared and some thins on my website wouldn't show up .so uninstalled it , lots of others I know have too. It does have a tougher security though

Paul mabbott · #9 (**permalink**) 13-12-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Beryl

I had IE 7 quite a few differences some things disapeared and some thins on my website wouldn't show up .so uninstalled it , lots of others I know have too. It does have a tougher security though

I'm sure that everything's there - it' just a matter of finding it

I suppose that all these upgrades are worthwhile for all the added security but generally it's tinkering for the sake of it. Windows programmes are so huge now and unintelligible. They all have so many features that you never use.

I probably use Word more than any other programme but doubt if I've used a new feature on it for eight years! I always use simple programmes when I can and should probably switch to Unix or something else but installing and learning new things takes time as well as effort. So I just drift on, following where Microsoft leads me ....

Mind, I'd still be using Windows95 if the computer hadn't filled up ....

fbcpmike · #10 (**permalink**) 13-12-2006, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Beryl

I had IE 7 quite a few differences some things disapeared and some thins on my website wouldn't show up .so uninstalled it , lots of others I know have too. It does have a tougher security though

For a full list of Alt and other commands in IE press F1, Type 'Alt' into the search under the index tab and navigate down the "Internet Explorer keyboard shortcuts" results page. The cut/main/copy paste has always been ctrl x, ctrl c, ctrl v, a hangover form DOS days.

The new IE7 has a differing setup and look to IE6.
'File / edit / menu" is turned off, it's in 'Tools', click 'Menu bar' to turn on.
'Status bar' is off, click 'Tools, Toolbars, Status bar' to get it on.

It brings in tabbed browsing, although I won't yet leave Firefox, but the ''Quick Tabs" button looks interesting when you have multiple tabs open. Unfortunately I have to have Firefox, IE, and Netscape for testing to cover the 97% of browsers that use our sites, Firefox is still the best to code for, as it interprets the web 'almost' correctly.

Some sites, usually shopping ones, actually refuse to work unless the browser is IE.

Ambriel · #11 (**permalink**) 13-12-2006, 09:23 AM

I quite like IE7, particularly the tabbing which I was used to with FireFox.

For cutting and pasting I tend to use the right click on the mouse/trackball and then select from the menu, or Ctrl+C/V/X.

Beryl · #12 (**permalink**) 13-12-2006, 01:49 PM

Well one of the things I noticed was my marquee ,Moving script along the bottom of my web site, that bar has gone and I like to have that. I do like the new media player 11 though.

Paul mabbott · #13 (**permalink**) 13-12-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Beryl

Well one of the things I noticed was my marquee ,Moving script along the bottom of my web site, that bar has gone and I like to have that. I do like the new media player 11 though.

This all goes back to what I said earlier - I'm extremely conservative in these things - never had any moving script .... I'm sure that if you fiddle around in the 'Tools' box you'll be able to make it reappear. I've resurrected the plain text menu bar, for instance.
The first thing I do with a new computer is sell the speakers ... hardly ever watch movies so all this 'media' stuff is irrelevent to me.

Thanks to Ambriel, Mike &c. One of the things that we need to be careful about is referring to the 'right click' - most left-handers would have the mouse set the other way but, I'm sure, like me would know what you mean

I've currently reverse my clicks: not left-handed but have damaged my index finger - finding it quite comfortable actually, using my middle finger to left-click on the right (

) until I forget ... might be a good tip for people with rss - swap your buttons around from time to time?

We'll all get there in the end!

Beryl · #14 (**permalink**) 13-12-2006, 03:49 PM

I may well look for that marquee scipt bar tool. I have to have a goosd set of speaker.. I have 5.1 sytem as I rip my son's music and I have to mak some times, well once 150 + audeo demo CDs of his band for gigs.(Nightmare, don't like his music). I like IE 7 up to a point but don't like changes.

fbcpmike · #15 (**permalink**) 13-12-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul mabbott

This all goes back to what I said earlier - I'm extremely conservative in these things - never had any moving script .... I'm sure that if you fiddle around in the 'Tools' box you'll be able to make it reappear. I've resurrected the plain text menu bar, for instance.

It's in your settings somewhere Beryl, on your site, my IE7 has a rotating marquee under the cursor (is that the one?), and not in Firefox. There is a Rabbit running along a fence lower down but presume that is a gif. Firefox tools also allow me past the Ah, Ah, Ah!

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Originally Posted by Paul mabbott

.....be careful about is referring to the 'right click' - most left-handers would have the mouse set the other way but, I'm sure, like me would know what you mean

We'll all get there in the end!

I must be the odd ball, left hander using a normally set mouse. Found the reversed buttons too confusing.

Beryl · #16 (**permalink**) 13-12-2006, 05:37 PM

No My mouse trailers and marquees are fine that which I am talking of is a runing marquee that runs along the script bar at the bottom of the each page on my site .

Paul mabbott · #17 (**permalink**) 13-12-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fbcpmike

I must be the odd ball, left hander using a normally set mouse. Found the reversed buttons too confusing.

As I said, having used the thing in reverse, I've got quite used to it - have even tried using it eft-handed - not too difficult. So what I said about changing the settings from time to time might really be useful in avoiding rs??????

jennyb · #18 (**permalink**) 13-12-2006, 06:11 PM

I'm left-handed but regularly use the mouse in either hand. I use a computer every day of the week and most evenings too so I would hate to develop RSI. If I feel any twinges in my arms or wrists, I swap hands, but I keep the mouse settings the same - too confusing otherwise.

About the speakers - I hate my computer talking or playing music so my speakers are always switched off!

Jenny

cannylad · #19 (**permalink**) 13-12-2006, 06:42 PM

Since downloading IE7 i am unable to get websites to remember my logins. It must be wiping out my cookies every time i close down, but i cant find any where to change this.

Any ideas guys ? i am a computer divvy so please make it easy if you can

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regards brian.

nightshade · #20 (**permalink**) 13-12-2006, 07:08 PM

I do use IE 7 and have no probs.,I also have Firefox but do not like its favourites handling
horses for courses

lewisa · #21 (**permalink**) 13-12-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Beryl

No My mouse trailers and marquees are fine that which I am talking of is a runing marquee that runs along the script bar at the bottom of the each page on my site .

I presume you are talking about a running message displaying in the Status Bar at the bottom of the application, not a message in the actual webpage itself.

Any script to do that would be application specific as you are telling the application itself to display something within itself, rather than just printing the output of the script as part of a webpage. So its unlikely that the script would work in any browser other than IE4, 5 or 6.

The status bar in a browser is there to show the link path of any hyperlink that a user hovers over and certificates information (the padlock etc), however in previous versions of IE Microsoft also allowed the bit of the bar for showing link paths to be written to

Generally Microsoft including features unique to their software like this example is seen as a bad thing (and incidentally is an example of the reason behind all the Anti-trust law suits against them).

This status bar editing is one example of many, many unique features put into earlier IE that werent in any other browser software or web standard.

The problem then is: Microsoft introduce a new unique feature to their software and importantly - against a prevailing standard, because of their global dominance their unique feature becomes so widely used that it forces out the competition who dont have it, and in the process Microsoft create their own seperate standard that becomes the status quo by defalult and against the will of the world at large.

Allowing the status bar to be writable was also a security risk. People wrote webpages containing drastic messages like 'formatting C: 10%' with the percentage climbing causing users to panic and stuff.

So because of all the court room hoo-haa and $$$ fines since IE was first included free with the operating system, its unlikely the status bar will be editable in future IE browsers. And this is a good thing, because it forces Microsoft to adhere to standards more and develop new features that co-exist with standards instead of rewriting them.

Beryl · #22 (**permalink**) 13-12-2006, 07:41 PM

Oh right . Thnak you for that.

(Status bar), I just could not remember what it was called. I know it can be swithed on ansd off in IE6 but I don't know how.
I do knowIE7 hias a much tighter security

Paul mabbott · #23 (**permalink**) 14-12-2006, 08:40 AM

In part: go to 'Tools' then 'Internet options' then 'Browsing history' - this allows you to set how long (in days) the computer stores your history ...
Not sure if that includes cookies. A possibility with cookies is that you have 'Privacy' settings which are too strict; otherwise you may be able to find soemthing under 'Advanced' settings .... I haven't been through that list!
Good luck.....

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Originally Posted by cannylad

Since downloading IE7 i am unable to get websites to remember my logins. It must be wiping out my cookies every time i close down, but i cant find any where to change this.

fbcpmike · #24 (**permalink**) 14-12-2006, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cannylad

Since downloading IE7 i am unable to get websites to remember my logins. It must be wiping out my cookies every time i close down, but i cant find any where to change this.regards brian.

To see the Help for cookies, press F1, select the "Index" tab and type "Cookies" in the keyword box. The one you probably need is "Deleting cookies automagically"

The following was lifted directly from Help in IE7 -
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Change your privacy settings
Cookies are files that are stored on your computer by some websites. They're usually used to keep track of information about you (for example, your user name, password, or the contents of your shopping cart). Internet Explorer privacy settings let you specify which cookies you want to allow to be stored on your computer.

To change your privacy settings

In Internet Explorer, click the Tools button, and then click Internet Options.
Click the Privacy tab, and then move the slider to the level of privacy you prefer
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You can move a site you visit regularly (Eg. Wab) into a "trusted" security zone, this should stop them being deleted each time. Using the instructions above for finding cookies in help, double click "Internet security zones".

Also read "storing cookies" or "cookies" "faq" .