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20-10-2006, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Earth Hart As I say, man  get out of you head, you spend too much time in it. The politics, media & all the oooo that goes with it has addled your brain to what the land can give to you. There comes a time when you have to step outside of your comfort zone & this can be scary but it's worth it when you do. I Do Understand where you're coming from & that is why you do not see outside of your comfort zone, if you can call it that what with all the killing, drugs, abuse etc that you talk about. | I find this post so patronising!!
Who are you to say my brain is addled to what the land can give me? What does that mean anyway??
Do you see yourself as some kind of Shaman or Guru, you don't actually converse in a way that I understand.
Throughout this thread you have posted a boat load of meaningless sentances which aim is to make me look narrow minded and by implication make you look like some kind of Mystic.
At the risk of using one of those phrases...Come into the real world!! |
20-10-2006, 02:32 PM
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 I loved your poem Owl-Light, very romantic in style!
For people who want a "realistic" view of England (I say this because it is subjective) there is a poet called Philip Larkin and his anthology which I cant remember the title of  , but one of the poems in it is called "the long slide". His poetry isn't to everyone's taste though.....
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20-10-2006, 02:34 PM
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And to put the record straight, I'm not a pagan either. If anything, I'm a heathen, as that is where I go, the heath, for peace, solitude & to commune with the Land. The Gods & Goddesses are all archetypes anyhow.
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20-10-2006, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Earth Hart And to put the record straight, I'm not a pagan either. If anything, I'm a heathen, as that is where I go, the heath, for peace, solitude & to commune with the Land. The Gods & Goddesses are all archetypes anyhow. | What???  |
20-10-2006, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by chunkychambers I find this post so patronising!!
Who are you to say my brain is addled to what the land can give me? What does that mean anyway??
Do you see yourself as some kind of Shaman or Guru, you don't actually converse in a way that I understand.
Throughout this thread you have posted a boat load of meaningless sentances which aim is to make me look narrow minded and by implication make you look like some kind of Mystic.
At the risk of using one of those phrases...Come into the real world!! | Sorry mate, that was never my intention & I'm no shaman or guru. I'm just an itinerant yarnweaver who loves Mother Nature.
What I write may be meaningless to you but not to others. It's just the way each of of us perceives the world about us, that's all.
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20-10-2006, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by chunkychambers What??? |  complicated old business isn't it? Heathenism is distinctly different. Personally, I come closest to Natural Pantheism but it's still a shoe that never fits that comfortably. See I still prefer those bare feet lol!
On another note no one should need to be on the defensive in a discussion, its just an exploration after all. We all take from it what resonates with us and contribute a perception that others may or may not share. But thats the point isn't it? It wouldn't be much of a discussion otherwise.
Funny, never thought my poem would trigger a discussion but its been very interesting so far. |
20-10-2006, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Earth Hart Sorry mate, that was never my intention & I'm no shaman or guru. I'm just an itinerant yarnweaver who loves Mother Nature.
What I write may be meaningless to you but not to others. It's just the way each of of us perceives the world about us, that's all. | That I understand and agree with |
20-10-2006, 02:50 PM
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Group hug?
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20-10-2006, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Susie Group hug? | OK just this once *hug*  |
20-10-2006, 02:57 PM
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I was joking, but what the heck *hugs*
After all, it's good Karma. lol
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20-10-2006, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Susie Group hug? | OK, just this once, but can we make it a huggle, it's more fun
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20-10-2006, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Owl-Light complicated old business isn't it? Heathenism is distinctly different. Personally, I come closest to Natural Pantheism but it's still a shoe that never fits that comfortably. See I still prefer those bare feet lol!
On another note no one should need to be on the defensive in a discussion, its just an exploration after all. We all take from it what resonates with us and contribute a perception that others may or may not share. But thats the point isn't it? It wouldn't be much of a discussion otherwise.
Funny, never thought my poem would trigger a discussion but its been very interesting so far. | You're quite right of course, and I've enjoyed it!
Mind you I'm going to look up all these Ism's just to be sure that they are real words.
Will you turn your hand to an "angry young man of the North" poem?
Go on give it a go...  |
20-10-2006, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Susie Group hug? | Ok, go on then.
Do I have to kiss the hippy though? |
20-10-2006, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by chunkychambers You're quite right of course, and I've enjoyed it!
Mind you I'm going to look up all these Ism's just to be sure that they are real words.
Will you turn your hand to an "angry young man of the North" poem?
Go on give it a go... | Now lets eee, the North is Norse country largely and I live in the mellow green of West Saxon Gloucestershire... Don't see it happening mate and besides Angry young men tend to waste energy hitting out when they could be part of the solution. |
20-10-2006, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chunkychambers | NO WAY!!! I only kiss the ladies but you can give us a hug if you want
btw I'm not a hippy but a very ancient hippy 
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20-10-2006, 03:17 PM
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I'm off to stretch my legs on the Mendips & walk across Englands green & pleasent land now it's not chucking it down with rain anymore. T'ra for now.
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20-10-2006, 03:18 PM
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Can I get some breakfast now?
I'm off too, gotta eat something. Have a good evening everyone. |
20-10-2006, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by chunkychambers | Oi, I only said hug and now you want to kiss my hippy! Cheeky What are you doing down on your knees anyway?
So, Chunky, are you going to stand as a councillor at the next elections and do something about these problems?
And huggles 'n' wavels to Earth Hart.
EDIT: Huggles 'n' wavels to Owl-Light too.
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20-10-2006, 04:27 PM
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Couldn't agree more - I'm all for "awe and winder" (as it says in the national curriculum" but most 'sprituality' sounds daft if not dangerous. Why do some people seem to need it? Richard Dawkins answers that in his latest book Film, TV and book reviews from InTheNews
reviews/books/the-god-delusion-by-richard-dawkins-$453480.htm but plenty more on the unofficial site Unweaving the Rainbow Quote: |
Originally Posted by speckled wood I have got to admit that some of the spirituality I see here makes me wary, I come from a family of devout "creationist" christians. I have also got to say that I am not a devout christian and I am most certainly not a creationist.
I prefer to look at what I see for what it is, I look at a butterfly or a tree and marvel I don't need to search for some spiritual force, it just satifies me that it is probably the end result of billions of years of an evolutionary process that started by chance and without spiritual reason or some "guiding" and "intelligent" power. I just wonder why some of us have this need to try put a spiritual and "magical" bent on things. |
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20-10-2006, 04:33 PM
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Actually, it says 'awe and wonder' but ....
A better url? RichardDawkins.net - The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science Quote: |
Originally Posted by Paul mabbott .... "awe and winder" (as it says in the national curriculum") ........] | |
20-10-2006, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Owl-Light Now lets eee, the North is Norse country largely and I live in the mellow green of West Saxon Gloucestershire... Don't see it happening mate and besides Angry young men tend to waste energy hitting out when they could be part of the solution. | Norsemen? Saxons?
Immigrants!
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20-10-2006, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Owl-Light When children spray grafitti on the walls of their council flats, there is no sense of connection there, they neither touch or are touched by a sense of 'home'. It doesn't have to be that way. Less than a mile from my house is a really rough council estate but in one block the residents got together to make a difference and they most certainly have. This summer every flat had a well tended window box and the council allowed them to plant gorgeous flower beds and shrubs all around the block and now its a delight to see. They've made it home because they are no longer disconnected. Do you see what I mean? |
Graffiti is often territorial 'I live here - this is evidence that this is mine' I think it has been present in one form or another for all time.... Big cats use pheremonal graffiti by spraying urine etc..... and don't they find signitures scraped into roman walls from time to time? Would cave paintings have been considered graffiti in their time?
Not sure about litter - but again why would we find random bits of broken pot and tools away from settlements unless it's because ancient people chucked them on the ground!
I'm not sure what the problems in society are a result of - probably a hideous complexity of factors. I do know that we are vastly better off than so many other countries and shouldn't overlook this. Time should definately be made to appreciate the good thing in poetry or otherwise.
I'm off home now to eat my tea because I'm lucky enough to have been born into a country where I can do this with relative ease. |
20-10-2006, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Owl-Light Don't worry Jaki, different perspectives are what interst me the most. Actually I'm not a Pagan, even though it might appear that way. I love our myths and traditions and the way our ancestors lived as an intrinsic part of nature rather than seeing themselves as external to it as most Westerners do today. Pagans have a belief in dieties which I personally don't share, but they have my respect for their reverence of nature. The deities they believe in have a lot to teach us actually, even if you don't see them as actual entities. The beliefs they encapsulate hold some amazing concepts and a lot to open ones eyes. | Que???? I know nothing... It wern't me guv.. 'onest... him Speckled Wood.. me garden carpet
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20-10-2006, 05:53 PM
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I've just split this thread from the original poem as I think it's quite political and off-topic and could discourage others from poetry if they think it'll be scrutinised in a similar way.
Chunkchambers, should we apply the same methods to the gallery? Do we need to include a discarded shopping trolley, burnt out car or syringe in every photo of nature, or can we just see it's beauty and leave the 'reality' to www.itsalldoomandgloom.co.uk |
20-10-2006, 06:22 PM
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I cant use the words you guys use, i wish i could. The natural world for me is so important it heals my hurts.
It can be just sitting quietly watching wildlife pass me by, being a part of the moment is all i ask.
When it works its the best drug i could ever need ,and i know i will never be able to express it to others.
I cant paint, draw, write music, or poetry i wish i could.
I have been nearer to God in a forest, nearer than i have ever been in a church, the beauties of my land can always surpass the negatives as long as i let them in.
I am envious of those of you with talent enough to portray my love of nature through the various mediums available thank you.
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