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10-10-2006, 08:02 PM
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I am just about to watch Horizon, looks like it will be an interesting programme and I am interested to know what other WABers think of it. It is on BBC2 now.
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10-10-2006, 09:26 PM
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Saw the programme Susie. It was a bit light hearted. Not the sort of style that you would usually associate with Horizon, but interesting all the same. I don’t really think that it told us anymore than we already know about Chimpanzees and their closeness to us. It just looked at the subject from a different angle. Some interesting research with the Bonobo’s – though it was learned behaviour that has been seen many times before. Worth watching though. |
10-10-2006, 09:27 PM
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Enjoyed it. Missed one aspect of humanity - the ability to mass slaughter itself - nope. Chimps are better than humans.... |
10-10-2006, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Saw the programme Susie. It was a bit light hearted. Not the sort of style that you would usually associate with Horizon, but interesting all the same. I don’t really think that it told us anymore than we already know about Chimpanzees and their closeness to us. It just looked at the subject from a different angle. Some interesting research with the Bonobo’s – though it was learned behaviour that has been seen many times before. Worth watching though. |
Hmmm, I agree. I knew it was going to be light hearted but I was disappointed because as you rightly point out it didn't tell us anything new. Ho hum.
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10-10-2006, 10:18 PM
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It was quite entertaining, but it begs the question of why would you want chimps to behave like Humans  |
11-10-2006, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by carlj Enjoyed it. Missed one aspect of humanity - the ability to mass slaughter itself - nope. Chimps are better than humans.... | Are you kidding? Chimps kill and eat their own kind, if they were able to mass kill adjacent social groups I bet they would. The time will come when they discover that tools can be used for more than gettng access to nuts and insects, it will be interesting to see what happens then...... |
11-10-2006, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Gill Catton Are you kidding? Chimps kill and eat their own kind, if they were able to mass kill adjacent social groups I bet they would. The time will come when they discover that tools can be used for more than gettng access to nuts and insects, it will be interesting to see what happens then...... | ......they become human! |
11-10-2006, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan ......they become human! | I was wondering if we'd end up with a situation where we not only have to worry about people kiling too many chimps, but of chimps killing too many chimps too.... |
11-10-2006, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Gill Catton I was wondering if we'd end up with a situation where we not only have to worry about people kiling too many chimps, but of chimps killing too many chimps too.... | If their habitat is constricted much more yes. But if that's the case, inbreeding would probably be just as damaging over the long term.. |
11-10-2006, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan If their habitat is constricted much more yes. But if that's the case, inbreeding would probably be just as damaging over the long term.. | Yes possibly |
11-10-2006, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by carlj Enjoyed it. Missed one aspect of humanity - the ability to mass slaughter itself - nope. Chimps are better than humans.... | I thought chimps were one of the only ones other than humans capable of murder?
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11-10-2006, 10:09 AM
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They are - from what I saw. Wonder what would happen if they ever got religion? |
11-10-2006, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by carlj They are - from what I saw. Wonder what would happen if they ever got religion? | ......God forbid! |
11-10-2006, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by carlj They are - from what I saw. Wonder what would happen if they ever got religion? | You don't need religion for mass killing. Only a desire for more resources, land or mates.
Dolphins kill each other and I'm sure a myriad of other species do too all the way down to ants and microbes. |
11-10-2006, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ogwen I thought chimps were one of the only ones other than humans capable of murder? | Murder in what respect?
Maybe I misunderstand your interpretation of murder but I thought it was common place in the natural world? One example was in a programme on telly on Sunday night following the progress of a polar bear and her cub. One of the dangers that the cubs face is male polar bears that want them out of the way so they can mate with their mothers.
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