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06-06-2006, 04:57 PM
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my computer froze today and with a clicking reminiscent of a guilotine knitting party the hard drive stopped so everything is lost until i get another and start again,bye for now
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06-06-2006, 05:09 PM
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OOOH NO! Hurry back with a new hard drive nightshade!!!!! ww |
06-06-2006, 05:43 PM
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oohph thats no good Nightshade. Hope you manage to retrieve some of your work.
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06-06-2006, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by nightshade my computer froze today and with a clicking reminiscent of a guilotine knitting party the hard drive stopped so everything is lost until i get another and start again,bye for now | ooooh no terrible news, staples have good deals on lacie hard drives - both int and ext at present. Also tescos do a good freecom external (£50 for 80gig)
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06-06-2006, 08:51 PM
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How do external hard drives work?
Are they not slow? |
06-06-2006, 09:04 PM
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Good luck and hurry back!
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06-06-2006, 09:04 PM
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Mine's pretty quick but then I've got firewire. Saying that the one on my work machine is usb 2 and its not that bad (its the tescos special)
I wouldnt use one as my primary boot and programs disc but they are excellent for catalouging the pho library and for backing up the C: drive for when the primary disk goes south.
I have three 250Gb and one 500Mb lacie fire wire drives for my photo library (which is also stored on CD at a different location for last resort back up) 3 hold the library 1 each for birds, mammals, landscapes) with the fourth backing them up. I also have a freecom 250Gb backing up my C: drive and a 60GB USB powered portable on the work machine that hold all my WAB stuff.
On top of all this I also have a 40GB flashtrax for back up in the field.
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06-06-2006, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Boddie How do external hard drives work?
Are they not slow? | Not these days..about 3/4 the speed of an IDE drive. For example, to transfer 450mb of data would take less than 30 seconds on a USB 2.0 drive. Perfectly usable for storage. |
06-06-2006, 10:10 PM
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Yeah. Just plug the hard drive in to your USB 2 port and way to go 
I killed my computer this morning G. knows how. I have spent the entire evening resetting it back to it's original factory settings.
It's like a new computer now
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06-06-2006, 10:43 PM
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Crikey everybody is having comp probs and my laptop is whirring all of the time. I think it is about to die. I cant wait.
Work allows me to buy a computer or laptop or anything from Dell at a discounted rate and I can pay them back over a year.
This laptop is a works one and I am not supposed to have any personal stuff on it so work helps us out like that. Pretty cool really. I would like to buy a fat computer for all of my tunes and I wiould also like to get into mixing on my computer but need something powerful and will get involved with a nice Dell piece of kit I think |
06-06-2006, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Boddie Work allows me to buy a computer or laptop or anything from Dell at a discounted rate and I can pay them back over a year. | I wouldnt buy from Dell if you paid me to, I trust you remembered to delete all the dell inspired spyware - sorry I mean marketing agents - that come preloaded.
My lightroom computer was custom built by gladiator in leicester based arround an AMD 64, 2gb ram, and a 256 GC which at the time was state of the art.
As soon as I get the cash together this baby is going back to the nice people at gladiator to have it mother board upgraded. I fancy a doubleheaded turion rig with 4gb of ram and a 512gc
A major advantage of using ext hds is that when it does go back I can plug them into my piece of cack IQON back up computer (bought from tesco on clearance for £80, and upgraded myself with used parts) and carry on till my shiny toys come back.
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06-06-2006, 11:30 PM
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I would
My sons have Dell laptops and PCs one is a software engineer and one is an IT consultant for Barclay's Capital so they have a bit more mony than I do, I worked in a coputer shop where we (not me) build computers to spec(I just help out now and then as I'm now retired) and I would recomend Dell
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07-06-2006, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Beryl I would
My sons have Dell laptops and PCs one is a software engineer and one is an IT consultant for Barclay's Capital so they have a bit more mony than I do, I worked in a coputer shop where we (not me) build computers to spec(I just help out now and then as I'm now retired) and I would recomend Dell | We'll have to agree to disagree on this one beryl - I have extensive IT experience myself ( I have been building computers since I was 14, I'm now 33, the only reason I pay gladiator to build my rigs rather than doing it myself is the pressure of time.)
It is not Dell per se that I have a beef with but big manufacturers as a whole. They often dont have a good feel for what specialist users like photographers need so their boxes are one size fits all rather than bespoke. Having a rig built or building it myself enables me to put in exactly what I need and leave out that which I don't (for example my current light room rig has two internal hard drives one for programs and system and the other a 20GB is specifically registered to be the scratch disk for photoshop.) It also means I can specify the latency othe RAM, the precise mother board, case, GC etc I want.
Dell etc are commonly used by big firms to supply masses of computers which is why people like barclays capital use them - it doesnt neccesarily mean that they are the best choice for private users.
The other thing about some big manufacturers which p's me off and a lot of other IT people I know is that the computers come with marketing bots installed. These keep track of your cookies and inform the manufacturer of your Web habits - supposedly this allows them to offer you "better" suport and upgrades, but to my mind this is spyware, and is the first thing I delete if I am working on a main manufacturer rig.
I do pick up Dells, Tinys, Compaqs and other big names second hand sometimes but these are to play with, rebuild, or strip for parts. I wouldnt buy a big name new to be my main machine for all the tea in china.
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07-06-2006, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by eeyore We'll have to agree to disagree on this one beryl - I have extensive IT experience myself ( I have been building computers since I was 14, I'm now 33, the only reason I pay gladiator to build my rigs rather than doing it myself is the pressure of time.)
It is not Dell per se that I have a beef with but big manufacturers as a whole. They often dont have a good feel for what specialist users like photographers need so their boxes are one size fits all rather than bespoke. Having a rig built or building it myself enables me to put in exactly what I need and leave out that which I don't (for example my current light room rig has two internal hard drives one for programs and system and the other a 20GB is specifically registered to be the scratch disk for photoshop.) It also means I can specify the latency othe RAM, the precise mother board, case, GC etc I want.
Dell etc are commonly used by big firms to supply masses of computers which is why people like barclays capital use them - it doesnt neccesarily mean that they are the best choice for private users.
The other thing about some big manufacturers which p's me off and a lot of other IT people I know is that the computers come with marketing bots installed. These keep track of your cookies and inform the manufacturer of your Web habits - supposedly this allows them to offer you "better" suport and upgrades, but to my mind this is spyware, and is the first thing I delete if I am working on a main manufacturer rig.
I do pick up Dells, Tinys, Compaqs and other big names second hand sometimes but these are to play with, rebuild, or strip for parts. I wouldnt buy a big name new to be my main machine for all the tea in china. | Fine. You win
I'm not one to argue. I think it could be a matter of opion.
My edest sone builds them too. He's a royal Engineer. He likes his Dell
I don't know if B C use Dell. but with two sons who write programs install and set up and are both software engineers etc I go with them. Mine is a cheep Packard Bell. I like it
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07-06-2006, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Beryl Fine. You win | I think I said above that i was happy to agree to disagree - if you are happy with your packard then thats fine by me - if your sons like dell also fine by me, I dont and I hope that is fine by you.
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07-06-2006, 07:51 PM
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Hooray,internet seller Aria got a hard drive to me very quickly but it still takes time and trouble to reload everything.Some things are not recoverable all my photos,notes,data etc. are gone.The moral is back up everything,I actually was about to transfer everything to a waiting 250gb usb drive 
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07-06-2006, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by nightshade Hooray,internet seller Aria got a hard drive to me very quickly but it still takes time and trouble to reload everything.Some things are not recoverable all my photos,notes,data etc. are gone.The moral is back up everything,I actually was about to transfer everything to a waiting 250gb usb drive | Are you sure you've lost everything? I've got utilities that can rescue most hard drive failures..It's often no more than a bad sector that needs mapping out..so you can at least get some data back. |
07-06-2006, 08:19 PM
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Hi glsammy,the read heads had some sort of collision inside, hence the demented clicking.I tried to upload to my sons m/c as well as the usb external drive (I had this happen 3 times on my first new machine ) the data is there but it will take a lot of money to recover by a specialist. Oh well!
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08-06-2006, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by nightshade Hi glsammy,the read heads had some sort of collision inside, hence the demented clicking.I tried to upload to my sons m/c as well as the usb external drive (I had this happen 3 times on my first new machine ) the data is there but it will take a lot of money to recover by a specialist. Oh well! | It might be feasible to take the drive apart and put the disk guts of the drive into a working drives body. I agree its virtually certain that this would be prohibitively expensive to have done but you could have a crack yourself - i mean if the drive is otherwise dead what have you got to lose (apart from your temper  )
pointers for doing this are to do it in as dust free environment as possible, to earth yourself to ensure you are not statically charged, and not to touch the disk parts with bare hands.
Ive done it once myself and the drive functioned (sort of) for a day before dying permanently but this gave me time to lift off and back up the important data.
see http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000840067578/ for more info on how someone with your problem solved it.
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08-06-2006, 06:43 PM
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I may just try that
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