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25-04-2008, 05:10 PM
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This is just awful. What are children doing out on their own at that age anyway. What makes children behave like this, it must be the way they have been brought up. or dragged up  |
25-04-2008, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by demicav  | Perhaps the 'ring leaders' are subject to such cruelty themselves at home and the others to weak or bullied to object. |
25-04-2008, 05:25 PM
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Hello This is a disgusting act, Id like to give them a few rounds back with a stick just to see how they like it ,they d soon learn from me right from wrong . You cant justify why anyone could do such a thing to a helpless animal. it makes me sick to the core. sheila
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25-04-2008, 07:33 PM
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I fully blame the parents, these people have children, then can't really be bothered with the actual day to day job of bringing them up, so they are left to there own devices.
I dread to think what sort of people they will grow up to be, probably the same as their parents.
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25-04-2008, 08:08 PM
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The parents are to blame, but the kids still need sorting out.
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25-04-2008, 08:25 PM
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It makes me wonder what is going on inside the heads of some people, id like to think that being so young they didnt realise the severity of there actions.
On another point i heard today on the radio two lads of 21 and 22 have just been sentenced to five and a half years for the manslaughter of a sixteen year old boy. They pelted him with sticks and stones to stop him getting out of a flooded clay pit and watched as he drowned. There where six other people who watched and did nothing to assist him.
I just cant believe the actions of some individuals and cant understand how the judge can issue such a weak sentence. |
26-04-2008, 03:25 PM
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We have similar problems up here, especially with cats. Hanging's to good for the culprits.
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26-04-2008, 09:02 PM
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If anyone can give a viable address I will go and beat the offenders
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27-04-2008, 01:10 AM
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this is the third time i've tried to reply to this thread , i'm sorry but this time words fail me ...it is shocking to think that this act still exist in this society!!!
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27-04-2008, 02:20 AM
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Even assuming that these little brats have responsible parents, which is doubtful, what can they do to prevent them doing these things, under current legislation in this mamby pamby society which we find ourselves in, it is a criminal offence for parents to administer corporal punishment to errant children, it has to be done by ' persuasion and education ' both of which methods take far too long and require some form of expertise, which may be lacking in the parents anyway. A bloody good hiding is far more effective as a deterent for antisocial behaviour than all the well meaning do-gooders softly softly methods will ever be, when you have spent a week standing at the table for your dinner because it is too painful to sit, it is surprising how much more notice you take when told what is right and what is wrong. I know that I will get slated for this opinion but I make no appology for holding it, and no amount of modern child management techniques will convince me otherwise.
With appologies to anyone who is offended by my attitude, Keith
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27-04-2008, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackbrook Eye Even assuming that these little brats have responsible parents, which is doubtful, what can they do to prevent them doing these things, under current legislation in this mamby pamby society which we find ourselves in, it is a criminal offence for parents to administer corporal punishment to errant children, it has to be done by ' persuasion and education ' both of which methods take far too long and require some form of expertise, which may be lacking in the parents anyway. A bloody good hiding is far more effective as a deterent for antisocial behaviour than all the well meaning do-gooders softly softly methods will ever be, when you have spent a week standing at the table for your dinner because it is too painful to sit, it is surprising how much more notice you take when told what is right and what is wrong. I know that I will get slated for this opinion but I make no appology for holding it, and no amount of modern child management techniques will convince me otherwise.
With appologies to anyone who is offended by my attitude, Keith | I for one will not slate you Keith, I aggree with everything you've said,  |
27-04-2008, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackbrook Eye Even assuming that these little brats have responsible parents, which is doubtful, what can they do to prevent them doing these things, under current legislation in this mamby pamby society which we find ourselves in, it is a criminal offence for parents to administer corporal punishment to errant children, it has to be done by ' persuasion and education ' both of which methods take far too long and require some form of expertise, which may be lacking in the parents anyway. A bloody good hiding is far more effective as a deterent for antisocial behaviour than all the well meaning do-gooders softly softly methods will ever be, when you have spent a week standing at the table for your dinner because it is too painful to sit, it is surprising how much more notice you take when told what is right and what is wrong. I know that I will get slated for this opinion but I make no appology for holding it, and no amount of modern child management techniques will convince me otherwise.
With appologies to anyone who is offended by my attitude, Keith | You most certainly shall not be slated for that opinion- for I think that you will be pleased to know that many people, including myself, wholeheartedly agree. |
27-04-2008, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by NickCantle You most certainly shall not be slated for that opinion- for I think that you will be pleased to know that many people, including myself, wholeheartedly agree. | I think many people in the UK feel the same. This Great Britain we call home is no longer great, the last 20 years has seen so much authority been taken away from the police, teachers and parents. Lets bring back the cane to schools, lets take away paperwork from the police, and lets bring back the death penelty for those that deserve it.
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27-04-2008, 04:11 PM
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Actually I disagree that its a lack of physical punishment that has created these children, its more than likely the opposite, kids who are beaten all the time for no real reason esp when mummy or daddy are drunk, yet conversely some of the time when they disobey their parents they're threatened but nothing happens so its hard to work out what's really bad behaviour. On top of this, they're told they're worthless, stupid little **** and are treated at best as an inconveniance. When this is all you have experianced how are you to value any life at all if you feel worthless and useless in your own? And imagine being so afraid of losing your friends, more afraid of this than of standing up for a puppy this is not a child with normal self esteem.
I'm not against smacking children - as I was when I was a child and I have grown up ok - but this happened maybe three times in my life, I don't know how I would have grown up if it was a proper whalloping every other day for things like looking at my dad the 'wrong' way.
These arn't kids who need a good hiding - an action like that would just bounce off as its behaviour they've learnt to deal with already. These kids need help, guidence on how to behave - most of all they need to be brought up by parents who tell them they're loved and for many I guess this just doesn't happen ever......
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27-04-2008, 11:54 PM
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No Gill, I was not talking about drunken abuse but swift sharp correction when caught doing wrong. If I see kids beating a puppy, or anything else for that matter, I refuse to go and give them a cuddle and tell them how much they are loved.
Keith
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28-04-2008, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackbrook Eye No Gill, I was not talking about drunken abuse but swift sharp correction when caught doing wrong. If I see kids beating a puppy, or anything else for that matter, I refuse to go and give them a cuddle and tell them how much they are loved.
Keith | but my point was, these children may be utterly immune to such a treatment for having recieved far worse for much of their life already. |
28-04-2008, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackbrook Eye Even assuming that these little brats have responsible parents, which is doubtful, what can they do to prevent them doing these things, under current legislation in this mamby pamby society which we find ourselves in, it is a criminal offence for parents to administer corporal punishment to errant children, it has to be done by ' persuasion and education ' both of which methods take far too long and require some form of expertise, which may be lacking in the parents anyway. A bloody good hiding is far more effective as a deterent for antisocial behaviour than all the well meaning do-gooders softly softly methods will ever be, when you have spent a week standing at the table for your dinner because it is too painful to sit, it is surprising how much more notice you take when told what is right and what is wrong. I know that I will get slated for this opinion but I make no appology for holding it, and no amount of modern child management techniques will convince me otherwise.
With appologies to anyone who is offended by my attitude, Keith | I do agree but it is the same curiosity exhibited by "grown ups" as they slow down to view a motorway accident they know it is wrong but they want to know what happens.
Children are taught how to react to situations if they are not then we find ourselves with a completely amoral youth
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28-04-2008, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Gill Catton Actually I disagree that its a lack of physical punishment that has created these children, its more than likely the opposite, kids who are beaten all the time for no real reason esp when mummy or daddy are drunk, yet conversely some of the time when they disobey their parents they're threatened | Its a fallacy to assume that only children from poor backgrounds behave like this - during the 7 years i spent working as a ranger better than half of the little scrotes we encountered were from middle class or even privelledged backgrounds - and in many cases had not been created by an abusive background at all but by the attitude that "my little prince/princess can do no wrong"
vis the little so and sos we caught spraying deoderant into the eyes of a much smaller child (and i mean much smaller, the victim was preschool - the perpetrators arround 10-12) - all were from well off backgrounds and two of the parents refused to believe that their little darling had done such a thing despite them having been caughgt red handed - ditto the little scrotes we caught feeding paracetemol to swans ditto several hundred other cases
I agree that children need to be valued - but they also need to be set clear boundaries including sharp correction when they step beyond them.
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28-04-2008, 03:48 PM
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I don't really know where to begin with this one 
I agree with Keith and Eeyore about the fact that discipline is not what it was, or should be. I also empathise with Gill about not beating kids for the sake of it.
I think the overriding thing is that nobody seems to have any respect for each other or anything these days. What the street culture calls 'respec' bears no real resemblance to the proper respect I'm sure most WAB members grew up with. Until some semblance of common sense and respect raises it's head again I think we will sadly see more and more of this kind of incident.
I know how I would deal with it if I happened across this kind of behaviour, but I would most likely end up as the one behind bars.
I don't agree with much that goes on in America, but they do seem to have a better sense of justice, i.e. if you defend yourself or the underdog against the bad guys you are in the right. (I'm not defending wanton gun use here - rational defence only)
What upsets me most though is I simply cannot comprehend how anyone could attack any animal in the way we have heard described - why??
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28-04-2008, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by eeyore Its a fallacy to assume that only children from poor backgrounds behave like this - during the 7 years i spent working as a ranger better than half of the little scrotes we encountered were from middle class or even privelledged backgrounds - and in many cases had not been created by an abusive background at all but by the attitude that "my little prince/princess can do no wrong"
vis the little so and sos we caught spraying deoderant into the eyes of a much smaller child (and i mean much smaller, the victim was preschool - the perpetrators arround 10-12) - all were from well off backgrounds and two of the parents refused to believe that their little darling had done such a thing despite them having been caughgt red handed - ditto the little scrotes we caught feeding paracetemol to swans ditto several hundred other cases
I agree that children need to be valued - but they also need to be set clear boundaries including sharp correction when they step beyond them. | I don't believe I mentioned a poor background did I? I don't think the types of abuse I mentioned are related to the relative wealth of background or upbringing either.
In fact kids from richer families who are brought up by a string of nannies and boarding school bullies could easily slip into a life where they feel valueless or even worse perhaps like they answer to no one.
Plus there's the pure and simple not yet properly understanding right from wrong - I was horrible to other kids until about 11 or 12 when I learnt better. - Despite having a good upbringing with clear boundaries and sharp correction when I stepped beyond them.
There are a lot of issues its true, lots of causes and teachers have been saying for years that the kids coming through school now and for the last 10 years are far less well behaved. However, I really don't think 'a good hiding' is likely to be a solution to all. There are after all plenty of good kids who've been brought up with no physical punishment at all. |
28-04-2008, 06:51 PM
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Post war children had a proper extended family, the whole village or city block
would watchout for children.Misdemeanours were dealt with with a clip around the ear, bullying parents, were challenged by the whole community
Then someone foolishly told children they had rights and nobody could touch them that was the end of civilisation as we knew it, punishments amounted to holidays in Spain (or for the really bad two holidays)
Respect has to be taught to children and earned by everyone
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29-04-2008, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by nightshade Post war children had a proper extended family, the whole village or city block
would watchout for children.Misdemeanours were dealt with with a clip around the ear, bullying parents, were challenged by the whole community
Then someone foolishly told children they had rights and nobody could touch them that was the end of civilisation as we knew it, punishments amounted to holidays in Spain (or for the really bad two holidays)
Respect has to be taught to children and earned by everyone | Hear hear! We certainly seem to have lost our way when it comes to family life. Very sad
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