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Old 07-05-2006, 07:11 AM
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Remote Trigger for Photography

I'm in the process of designing a remote trigger for wildlife photography and would appreciate any input into the specification below (sorry, it's kinda long) Infrared lasers switches, optical sensors or audio switches would plug into the box. I've looked at the commerical ones available and used some of their ideas plus more of my own . Anyone like to add to the 'wish list' so I can make this box of tricks dance lol

Remote Camera Trigger System

Mode 1 – Sensor 1 connected
Animal breaks the beam

Sensor 1 beam is broken and the signal is processed.

Mode 2 – Both Sensors connected
Animal approaches from either direction and breaks one of the beams

Either Sensor 1 OR Sensor 2 beam is broken and the signal is processed.

Mode 3 – Both Sensors connected (directional)
Animal approaches Sensor 2 breaking Sensor 1 first; system doesn’t react if the animal breaks the beams in the reverse sequence. This gives a system a directional sense. i.e takes picture of an bird exiting a site but not entering the site or of an animal walking along a trail.

Sensor 1 beam is broken and system waits for Sensor 2 beam to be broken then the signal is processed.

Mode 4 – Both Sensors connected and angled across each other
Animal breaks both beams at the same moment where the beams cross. This gives a very small area that the animal must be in before the system triggers.

Both Sensor beams are broken and signal is processed. (Either beam is broken first)

Circuits required

Power ON/OFF switch and LED

External DC power socket 12v. Internal 2x9v batteries through a 12v regulator

Mode selector switch

LEDs on both Sensor inputs to show when they are active

Lockout Timer (0.1 - 20 second variable)
This disables any input to the delay timer once the delay timer has past the trigger signal to the shutter trigger circuit to allow flashguns to recharge before another sequence is allowed. Timer activated by the output from the Delay timer. Fit ON/OFF switch to bypass this feature.

Delay Timer (0.001 – 100’s seconds)
Black box receiving the signal from the Sensors after the lockout timer circuit, delaying it by a variable time to allow for focussing position etc. and then outputting it to the Shutter Trigger Timer. Fit switch to bypass Delay Timer.

Shutter Trigger Timer (0.1 – 2 second variable) i.e. approx 1 to 20 images
The signal duration providing the shutter trigger signal to the camera. Fit switch to bypass the duration setting i.e. continuous output until the beam(s) are made again or one-shot.

Stay Awake Timer (0.1 second pulse every 4 minutes?)
This will send a pulse to the focus circuit on the camera to stop the camera and flashgun going into sleep mode. Fit ON/OFF switch to enable this feature.

Output ON/OFF switch

LED to show shutter trigger output signal
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Old 07-05-2006, 08:07 AM
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Re: Remote Trigger for Photography

Sounds impressive Kev. What are you hoping to photograph with this set-up? My only concern would be leaving all my gear unattended (an even bigger concern if I had your gear!).

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Old 07-05-2006, 08:22 AM
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Re: Remote Trigger for Photography

I'm not up to speed on this type of technique Kev, but was wondering what camera system you would use. I've read (in Alana catalogue) that digital cameras can't be used due to technical difficulties with adapting their controls. Not sure if this is correct, but if it is you would have to use a film compact like Canon Sureshot or similar.

As Matt said, the bigest problem I would have would be worrying the system might get stolen, so it would have to be in a 'safe' place/area, if there is such a thing!

By the way, what are you trying to photograph with it? Badgers or similar I would presume, or are you after the 'Beast of Bodmin'
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Old 07-05-2006, 09:44 AM
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Re: Remote Trigger for Photography

I've modified a Canon remote release for the 20D and 1D MKII N adding a plug on the back to take an external signal to trigger the camera. This gets away from the problem of sourcing the Canon connector for these cameras. I can either set the system to use the nromal expsoure system, or mirror lockup with a timed exposure or Bulb mode triggering the flash

Subject matter is anything :-) birds, animals, frogs, snakes etc etc. I just want to develop the system so it can do most things with a faster response time that I can achieve with my finger and more reliably. Played with some water droplets last night using a lashed together system and I can consistently photograph a droplet at any height above a surface or at the moment of impact. Interesting results but most importantly repeatable results without me physically having to trigger the camera myself.

I won't be planning to leave the system completely unattended espeically if the 600mm is on the camera lol

The best thing about it is the build cost, less than £100 in comparison to £600 and more for commerical systems
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Old 07-05-2006, 10:03 AM
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Re: Remote Trigger for Photography

I am interested how you progress but I can't offer any tech help...I do notice digital trigger cameras are availible.....there must be a way around the control difficulties.
There are some availible here: http://www.warehouseexpress.com/inde...tealthcam.html .
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Old 07-05-2006, 11:12 AM
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I've modified a Canon remote release for the 20D and 1D MKII N adding a plug on the back to take an external signal to trigger the camera. This gets away from the problem of sourcing the Canon connector for these cameras. I can either set the system to use the nromal expsoure system, or mirror lockup with a timed exposure or Bulb mode triggering the flash

Subject matter is anything :-) birds, animals, frogs, snakes etc etc. I just want to develop the system so it can do most things with a faster response time that I can achieve with my finger and more reliably. Played with some water droplets last night using a lashed together system and I can consistently photograph a droplet at any height above a surface or at the moment of impact. Interesting results but most importantly repeatable results without me physically having to trigger the camera myself.

I won't be planning to leave the system completely unattended espeically if the 600mm is on the camera lol

The best thing about it is the build cost, less than £100 in comparison to £600 and more for commerical systems
Ah, I understand Kev. You want to use the technique for hi-speed capture/trigger. You ought to discuss your methods with Malcolmx - he's into hi-speed flash etc. Did you read the thread about close-up/macro photography? He touched on this kind of thing there!

You mentioned you adapted your Canon's, but wouldn't this invalidate your warranties though? I'd be interested in knowing how you did this - I mead did you have to rewire anything etc.

It certainly opens up a whole new world of possibilities.
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Old 07-05-2006, 11:41 AM
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Re: Remote Trigger for Photography

Alan I modified a Canon Remote Switch TC-80N3 (£100) by drilling a 5mm hole in the back and fitting a miniature 3 -pin connector wired internally to the focus/shutter button in the remote switch. The warrenty would be completely invalid now but I didnt have to touch any of the cameras lol This mod does allow me to use whatever I like to trigger the camera now.

The RS-80N3 is the cheaper release at £40ish but it is a reasonable way of getting the correct Canon plug even if you wanted to cut off the remote release and just use the connector.
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Old 07-05-2006, 01:07 PM
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Alan I modified a Canon Remote Switch TC-80N3 (£100) by drilling a 5mm hole in the back and fitting a miniature 3 -pin connector wired internally to the focus/shutter button in the remote switch. The warrenty would be completely invalid now but I didnt have to touch any of the cameras lol This mod does allow me to use whatever I like to trigger the camera now.

The RS-80N3 is the cheaper release at £40ish but it is a reasonable way of getting the correct Canon plug even if you wanted to cut off the remote release and just use the connector.
Sounds good Kev, it's a shame I'm not a canon user One drawback of the D70, which I'm currently using, is there is no facility for a release cord! (there is on the updated D70s). You can purchase a remote, but this only works from the front of the camera where the infra red sensor is located. You can adapt the camera, but again this voids the warranty. This also applies to the battery grip, and some of the solutions look a bit 'Heath Robinson' to me. To stop camera shake at low shutter speeds, I have to use the self-timer - not good for moving subjects though!
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:10 PM
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the response of the IR trigger will be way too slow for any serious HSP work except for bulb mode Alan.
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Old 07-05-2006, 02:37 PM
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the response of the IR trigger will be way too slow for any serious HSP work except for bulb mode Alan.
It certainly is! That's why I'll wait for the HSP work when I update to a better model...whenever that'll be The Lottery certainly isn't working

But on the bright side, there's plenty of other things to go at like the two black (melanistic) Rabbits that aren't playing the game. I've been trying to get them for a while, but they're getting crafty as they quickly grow-up! Will have to make a low hide screen or similar. Good fun though
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Old 07-05-2006, 06:09 PM
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Hi cannot read it all but a count of bats in bats out,bat breaks WIDE angle beam triggers camera
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Hi cannot read it all but a count of bats in bats out,bat breaks WIDE angle beam triggers camera
Yes very useful to be able to do this - it would work for known Adder hibernation sites and things too to actually monitor numbers using the site.
Camouflage for all the gear too! It would be useful to be able to leave it set up over mammal paths to identify the main users, also to set up outside dubious Water Vole / rat burrows to properly identify the beastie in residence. Obviously you'd be selective as to where you'd leave the gear unattended but this kind of system would be very useful - I've been drooling over the lazer triggered system available at Alana ecology (other ecological supplies companies are available!) for ages!!
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Old 08-05-2006, 07:06 AM
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Re: Remote Trigger for Photography

with the directional ability of the system it would be very simple to add a pair of pulse counters to monitor animals in and animals out Gill, the pair of sensors I currently use are Infrared lasers Last time I camoed up a tripod I lost it for 3 days !
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with the directional ability of the system it would be very simple to add a pair of pulse counters to monitor animals in and animals out Gill, the pair of sensors I currently use are Infrared lasers Last time I camoed up a tripod I lost it for 3 days !
Could have been worse Kev, you could have lost yourself
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Re: Remote Trigger for Photography

I have been eyeing up a battery operated PIR ,masking the lense to alter the sensor field of view,it has an an audio output to a piezo siren which I want to connect to the Nikon ML-L3
using a prism or fibre-optic cable(good old Maplins) to avoid having to trigger it from the front
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Old 09-05-2006, 07:51 AM
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I have been eyeing up a battery operated PIR ,masking the lense to alter the sensor field of view,it has an an audio output to a piezo siren which I want to connect to the Nikon ML-L3
using a prism or fibre-optic cable(good old Maplins) to avoid having to trigger it from the front
I've heard of similar methods using a small antenna wired into the sensor on the front of the camera (D70), for triggering the remote and allowing the use of a third party battery grip, but most of them seem to void your warranty.

Try the following site for useful Nikon stuff, the forums are pretty good:

www.nikonians.org

ps. you don't need to register to view the forums as it would first appear! Just click on the link further down to go straight to the forums.
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Old 09-05-2006, 09:54 AM
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Re: Remote Trigger for Photography

just aquick interjection as i am a touch busy at the moment canon alraedy make an infered detector that fits the film cameras (eos1) in my case also the andy rouse site supplies a fast trigger for bird pictures . any trigger must operate independant fast flash or feeze motion will be affected also most cameras are used in manual mode for these pictures auto focus is not used as the camers are fixed to focus on the beam intersection
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