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Old 29-11-2007, 09:14 AM
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Sixth Sense

Something that has always interested me is the possibility that man still has a sixth sense. It is something that has always fascinated me .Interestingly It was proposed in a book Written by Hugh Falkus ( a noted writer and Nature film maker) ..
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He stated in one Angling book that he believed that on occasion he knew that a fish was about to take the lure or fly , Although there were no physical signs or indications it was about to happen..He likened it to a remnant of a hunters instinct. I think many people have experienced that moment when you hair stands up on your neck or a sudden feeling of uneasiness,,

I do beleive that I have experienced such moments when I have been alone and in tune with nature. I know many people will dismiss such ideas but I wonder what you all felt about this. I am not saying that we can read minds or other such dramatic ideas but that our senses are more capable than we give them credit for..
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Old 29-11-2007, 10:10 AM
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I sometimes get the feeling that when going to some places i feel as if I have been there before.Even though I have never visited these places.Strange Feelings.
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Old 29-11-2007, 10:42 AM
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not sure about a sixth sense I think we just subconciously learn to read and environment as we grow and this in combination to what we as a species have learnt that enabled us to survive means that yes we may not even have realised that our brain has clocked a certain kind of ripple that indicates that there is a fish nearby. That there are situations where we ought to scan to see if we are being watched etc......

So not a sense as such, just a range of behaviours that we have evolved to sub-conciously perform often in reaction to environmental queues (cues?) we have evolved to be able to automatically recognise.......

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Old 29-11-2007, 10:48 AM
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not sure about a sixth sense I think we just subconciously learn to read and environment as we grow and this in combination to what we as a species have learnt that enabled us to survive means that yes we may not even have realised that our brain has clocked a certain kind of ripple that indicates that there is a fish nearby. That there are situations where we ought to scan to see if we are being watched etc......

So not a sense as such, just a range of behaviours that we have evolved to sub-conciously perform often in reaction to environmental queues (cues?) we have evolved to be able to automatically recognise.......
I agree to some point I know peoples senses can become honed and trained to recognise clues. For instance my kids eye sight are all way superior to mine. But I can stand on a bridge over a river with them and even if I point out the fish I can clearly make out on the bottom or among the weed it can take them ages to see them and sometimes not at all,,However I think there is more to it than that,
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Old 29-11-2007, 11:27 AM
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Why do my posts always attract the comedians.I just knew this would happen
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He stated in one Angling book that he believed that on occasion he knew that a fish was about to take the lure or fly , Although there were no physical signs or indications it was about to happen..He likened it to a remnant of a hunters instinct. I think many people have experienced that moment when you hair stands up on your neck or a sudden feeling of uneasiness,,
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I can attest to this - after hours sitting on a beach with nothing happening, suddenly you find yourself concentrating and awake and sure enough..you get a bite. I used to have this happen alot.

Personally I feel it's part of an innate ability that we are all born with but lose due to our comfy lifestyles as it's a skill that's rarely used these days. Often those that spend more time outside will tune this skill up again. It could be avoiding dangerous situations, sensing people around but cannot see them or knowing when a fish is about to bite our minds are subconciously aware of much more than we realise...apart from most afternoons at work when I feel as lively as plasticine.

*edit* expanding on the fishing theme it could be a subconcious awareness of the state of tide, the wind strength, the time and the temperature all coming together to make the "situation" right - something that you may not realise you know but that your subconcious is more than aware of.

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Old 29-11-2007, 02:24 PM
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I think another common one is when youre out and about, engrossed in watching some bird or animal, and you suddenly feel as though youre being watched.....then lo and behold you turn round and theres a Deer stood watching you, or a Fox etc.Happens a lot, to me at least

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Old 29-11-2007, 02:29 PM
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Old 29-11-2007, 02:45 PM
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I think another common one is when youre out and about, engrossed in watching some bird or animal, and you suddenly feel as though youre being watched.....then lo and behold you turn round and theres a Deer stood watching you, or a Fox etc.Happens a lot, to me at least

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I sometimes wonder if its an alteration in the air currents or even smells that stimulates that......
I'm trying to remmeber if I have had that sensation in high winds......
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Old 29-11-2007, 03:16 PM
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I sometimes wonder if its an alteration in the air currents or even smells that stimulates that......
I'm trying to remmeber if I have had that sensation in high winds......
Possibly Gill, but it can happen indoors too....you could be sat in the pub and instinctively know when someones staring at you for example.

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Old 29-11-2007, 03:26 PM
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The instances that I can recall have usually been following a period of quiet and concentration. I spoke to someone who practiced meditation and they likened it the "heightened state of awareness" that they aim to achieve..

I can relate to the idea that barometric pressure changes or the like can send your brain subliminal signals that we have almost forgotten how to read.
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Old 29-11-2007, 03:30 PM
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Hi Coasty,
Lunar activities (the moon rising and setting each day) can create sudden winds at such times, and subtle changes in the earths magnetic field that some may be able to sense....fish can suddenly come on the feed at such times when these changes occur, so a combination of the 2 could explain your example of sensing when somethings about to happen,and then it does.

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Old 29-11-2007, 04:05 PM
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Hi Mark

I know that the human body has the physiology to sense many things such as vibration, pressure change, and of course sound and sights that may not apparently register on our minds. Any of these can contribute to the effect that I think does exist.

What I am proposing is that something even more subtle could possibly exist.

I am not sure how, but I am sure that there have been times when i have become aware of a sense that things were about to happen.

I think like all senses these things vary according to individuals and to the time that people actually use their senses..

For example because of a childhood accident my hearing is very poor I have to often use a hearing aid. However out in the countryside even without it I can hear birdsong and insect noise that my kids and wife dont pick up.. I think this is because my senses have become attuned to that after spending so much of my life outdoors...and more importantly they dont use theirs so lose the skill to pick the signals up.
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Old 29-11-2007, 04:31 PM
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Hi Mark

I know that the human body has the physiology to sense many things such as vibration, pressure change, and of course sound and sights that may not apparently register on our minds. Any of these can contribute to the effect that I think does exist.

What I am proposing is that something even more subtle could possibly exist.

I am not sure how, but I am sure that there have been times when i have become aware of a sense that things were about to happen.

I think like all senses these things vary according to individuals and to the time that people actually use their senses..

For example because of a childhood accident my hearing is very poor I have to often use a hearing aid. However out in the countryside even without it I can hear birdsong and insect noise that my kids and wife dont pick up.. I think this is because my senses have become attuned to that after spending so much of my life outdoors...and more importantly they dont use theirs so lose the skill to pick the signals up.
Totally agree with all that Coasty, I just posted the above example to show that sometimes theres a sensible explanation.I mentioned in another thread a while ago about some of us possibly holding on to our basic animal instincts more than others, and suggested that its possible that in some cases, the success of some people in outdoor hobbies (fishing/wildlife photography/hunting etc) could be attributed to an understanding (or indeed sixth sense) that enables them to successfully react to the circumstances around them more than those who have maybe lost these senses to a degree?

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Old 29-11-2007, 08:18 PM
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Totally agree with all that Coasty, I just posted the above example to show that sometimes theres a sensible explanation.I mentioned in another thread a while ago about some of us possibly holding on to our basic animal instincts more than others, and suggested that its possible that in some cases, the success of some people in outdoor hobbies (fishing/wildlife photography/hunting etc) could be attributed to an understanding (or indeed sixth sense) that enables them to successfully react to the circumstances around them more than those who have maybe lost these senses to a degree?

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Sounds like we have a lot of beleifs in common

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Old 29-11-2007, 08:25 PM
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The other day I was humming a song then my 9 yr old daughter started to sing the same song aloud. A one off, coincidence you may say but I don't think so. This has happened so many times it's unbelievable. I also get a strange feeling just before I recieve bad news that's totally unexpected. It happened to me as a child. Funny thing really.
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I totally agree. When you are alone in the woods etc, your senses seem so much more sharper, and at times you get such a strong feeling of being watched or like you are so alone. Quite freaky to be honest. On one occasion i got this feeling to find a tawny owl i hadnt noticed sat rite next to me, scared the life out of me at the time lol.
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Totally agree with all that Coasty, I just posted the above example to show that sometimes theres a sensible explanation.I mentioned in another thread a while ago about some of us possibly holding on to our basic animal instincts more than others, and suggested that its possible that in some cases, the success of some people in outdoor hobbies (fishing/wildlife photography/hunting etc) could be attributed to an understanding (or indeed sixth sense) that enables them to successfully react to the circumstances around them more than those who have maybe lost these senses to a degree?

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My wife has just been reading this thread and she wishes me to confirm that she beleives my basic animal instincts and behavious are well developed,,,,

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hi coasty i belive we all have a sixth sence but have forgotten how to use it,i have had some strange things happen to me over the years,its as though i can tune into birds and animals and humans come to that,i have two cockatiels in the house and one of them the female i can pick her vibes up all the time,i know when she want to be covered up, come out her cage,anything wrong,its strange realy.
when i devorced my first husband i was working in woolworths,two or three times i knew when he was in the shop,i would turn round and there he was,i yoused to know when my mum was about to visit,i knew when she was going to pass away,which made it a lot easyer to take in when it happened,i think our minds are much more sensative than what we think or know,we just dont know how to use it to its full abbilaty.
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"and i was so scared the hairs on the back of my neck stood up!" ...yes they would ,i believe , it stems from a primeaval inheritance to look bigger if your under attack . the situation has a lot do do with it too. an unusual scenario ,maybe an unfamiliar noise . a place usually well lit in darkness as well .next reaction is to run or hide ,but then logic rather than animal instict cuts in and we can usually assess the situation as safe quite quickly. i do think that a sixth sense does exist it's just that man the mammal these days use it less and less .
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Morning Andy.
Very interesting thread.

Firstly I should (ashamedly) admit I was tickled by Mr.Magoo's post. I'm sorry!
Secondly I should say that I basically agree with Gill's comments (in post 3).

I love all this stuff, and would dearly love to believe that a sixth sense exists.
In a sense (sorry) I think it does, but I happen to think that a sixth sense is brought about by one's other senses (mainly vision and hearing if one is lucky enough to possess both).

I've spent most of my free time outside, and a fair proportion of my professional time there too.
I've even played on this 'sixth sense' thing.
If I'm walking along a river with my parents in law for example, and I hear a Kingfisher, I'll suddenly announce "STOP!" to everyone, and "WATCH...."!
Lo and behold, a Kingfisher will dart by -pretty well every time.
Likewise, if I see the birds all jump into the sky ahead of us, in a patch of scrub, I'll do the same - and more often than not a Hawk will speed by.
I know this isn't quite the same as the 'sixth sense' you are alluding to.
I'll explain its relevance...

I think there are many people (many on WAB, I'm positive), who employ their five senses (mainly vision and hearing, like I said) in quite different ways to other people.

I LOOK. (rather than SEE).
I LISTEN. (rather than HEAR).

Not only that, (I speak for most WABers again I guess), we have a REAL interest in the things we see in the countryside - be it a river, or a wood, a mountain or a meadow. We are genuinely fascinated (in almost a child-like way) in our environment.

Combine the actual physical processes of LOOKING (not seeing) and LISTENING (not just hearing), with a lot of experience and you've got a perfect recipe for predicting occurrences in the countryside, which may be put down to a sixth sense.

For the mathematicians amongst you...

SENSE 1 (LOOKING, not seeing) + SENSE 2 (LISTENING, not hearing) + GENUINE INTEREST + EXPERIENCE = SENSE 6.

That a very dull way of showing what I (sadly) believe to be the case as far as the sixth sense you are talking about Andy.

I'm afraid, as so far as my fishing experience goes, I have very little - just a few trout and salmon weeks on the Lyon, and as far as predicting when a fish would bite before it did then - well, that was out of the question - nothing bit ever!

As far as you knowing when someone is staring at you across a pub Mark, well, I'd probably put that down to almost unperceived signals, very early on in the episode, that you've subconsciously picked up on, like for example they've stopped talking or drinking, or altered their body position. You don't have to even be in sight of that to KNOW thats happened...

As for getting the feeling you're being watched in a wood, turning round and there's a deer - I can't really explain that, but I can give you a related example.
I used to think that I "KNEW" when a Raptor was above me in the sky, without any signal like mobbing or panic flocking by smaller passerines or waders).
Too often to mention (it still happens), I'd suddenly just look up, and yep, there was a Hawk (Maybe almost just a dot, high in the sky). I KNEW it was there you see.
Hmmmm. I'd like to think so.
I have come to the inevitable and rather dull conclusion though that I and we,(in common with many people on this site, as I've mentioned before) utilise, no, EMPLOY our senses far more rigorously than many, many other people, mainly down to our interest I suppose.
I'll always be looking up (without realising it I suppose) on a day, when (subconsciously?) I know the weather is good for raptors. I won't deliberately be looking up, I'll just be doing it.
Very often, there will be no raptor in the sky (no surprise there) but regularly (of course) there will be too.
I can kid myself that I'm in tune with the birds, but I feel the truth is that I am putting myself in the position to have that happen to me, by my interest, the way I use my two main senses, and a whole lot of experience.
On top of that, I am FAR more likely to remember the times that I suddenly looked up and saw an Osprey (as I did on passage in the south of England this year), or a deer thats watching me, or a fish thats ready to bite (and I somehow know it) than the many times none of the above happened. I think thats completely understandable and natural.

I think we don't fully understand our senses, and certainly not our "sixth" or "seventh". (how can we)?
Years ago, I used to play a bit of golf. I was ok. Not great.
I was lucky enough to get an albatross and a hole in one during my playing years.
I KNEW, even before getting ready to hit the ball, on each of those two shots mentioned above, that the shot I was about to play was going to be perfect, or near as. I had no reason to know that - in both cases , the rest of the round was a bit of a write-off - its just that in those two shots, like I say, even before I'd addressed the ball, I KNEW everything was right.
I can't explain that.

I'm a triplet too. To cut a long story short, I'm a TWO EGG TRIPLET, ie 2 eggs in my mum's womb - one of which split to form my 2 identical twin sisters, and one remained whole, to form me.
My two twin sisters have ALWAYS been spookily in tune with one another, even on different sides of the planet (these days one lives In Chicago, the other Paris). They could write a book on their "extra sense".
I cannot explain that, either.



Anyway.
I've just read my post.
Sorry. It seems a bit disjointed.
I've got the flu at the moment, so I'll have another (better) think about the subject over a mug of lemsip...

Good thread Andy.

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