UFO's, Big cats - Coverups ?

[paulchandler6]

I noticed a hello thread getting into cover ups on the existance of UFO's, Big cats in the wild in the UK etc.
Do we believe in the existance of these or other phonomena or do we feel there are cover ups and international conspiracies to supress these?
Also what hard evidence do we have, and I mean real proof.

Paul

[mh68]

As far as hard proof of the existence of big cats - photographs aside - there is the skull of a Lynx found by a farmer (i`ll try and find the link).....there have also been casts made of pug marks (prints) indentified as big cats by acknowledged experts in their field.I recall one UK big cat enthusiast also noting numerous signs of Lynx somewhere down South too (again if i can find the link i`ll post it).
While there will always be cases of mistaken indentity and people who give false reports wanting to jump on the bandwagon I think there are definitely animals present that the authorities want to keep a lid on for fear of panic.

Mark H

[CurreHound]

Well to date there is a lot more evidence for UFO's and alien big cats than for Saddam's WMD's.
Seems we pick and choose what we mean by proof.

I have put a link with interesting evidence on in my introduction thread.

But I have seen several large black cats in a huge nearby forest. Problem is I don't tend to carry my camera on horseback and that is generally the only way they will get relatively near. Same with deer. Regularly ride among a herd of deer without them batting an eyelid. Have also seen Red Deer there and they aren't supposed to be there either. My horse isn't so keen on getting close to him.
A Quantox Hunt had a lynx up a tree a few years back.
The trllech panther is our local one and I don't know many country folk who haven't seen it: because there are almost certainly more than one over a huge expanse of monmouthshire and forest Of Dean.
A few cases of rotting dog carcasses up trees too.

Smell. They have a strong scent.

The problem is that the few "official" investigators haven't found hard evidence. But that doesn't stop live and dead spcimens turning up from time to time. The Surrey Puma for example.

I think UFO's may have a variety of causes. Some natural phenomena we don't yet understand. There is lots of evidence of sightings, pics etc that have been shown not to be fraudulent. The issue is whether that means they are space vehicles or not. A more likely explanation would be inter dimensional vehicles; or "natural" inter dimensional traffic. If that sounds far fetched please tell me why this is being done at a cost of £6 billion. That isn't scientific curiosity.
BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Underground search for 'God particle'

Worth remembering in all this that the legendary "wild man of the jungle" who would stand up in the bush and beat his chest, was refuted by science for years. Then he turned up in the late 1800s and science called him the Gorilla.

Science dosn't know a fraction of what is out there in terms of wild life. I can take you to parts of Wales where they swear there are dragons. They shut up about it when strangers come as they know they will be ridiculed.

[The Woodman]

None, I believe. Human nature would share the evidence either commercially or without gain. The best sightings I have had of anything remotely interesting has occurred on the spur of the moment and the hours spent watching for a particular beast or bird have generally produced only cold knees and a tomato soup moustache.

Two years ago I had the chance to visit the UFO Museum in Rothwell. New Mexico. Good entertainment but hardly convincing.

[C C]

Probably get shot down as a weirdo for this one

I was twelve years of age, hanging out in my local park with a group of others. Then someone noticed a very large flying object, it was hovering over a very large collery spoil tip. It looked to be the size of two double decker buses stuck together. And yes, it was saucer shaped and flahing lights.
It just stayed hovering within the tips vicinty. More people came out and saw the object, my mates mother took a load of photos. Then the police came. The object stayed there for well over 30 mins. By then more than 200 hundred people were veiwing it from the park. And not counting those that saw it from other areas.


The woman who took the photos, was interveiwed that night by the police. And they asked could they have the photos for evidence. The next day the press were everywhere interviewing people. Then the local papers printed
that it was an Aeroplane advertising Heinekin

There is a small reference to the incident on this link, iit's at th bottom of the page. UFOs : RLC

[mh68]

Heres the link to the skull I mentioned...a Puma, not a Lynx as I incorrectly recalled....apologies.

British Big Cats - British Big Cats Society, Prove and Protect, Big Cat Sightings, Official Website

Mark H

[naturelover]

only read today about a big cat in the citizen free newspaper,it said it was like a black panther in the farmers field in the fens,been sighted more than once,it is believed that wild cats have populated in the uk since the dangerous wild animal act was brought about in 1976,they include from lynx to tiger were released into the wild and have bread,also says nine out of ten of the reported cases are in peoples gardens,schools and streets not out in the countryside.

[mh68]

It`s been suggested that the current sightings of big cats, are possibly up to the 4th generation from those illegally released after the dangerous animals act in `76.Some think big cats have been in the uk far longer than this - animals brought back from abroad as pets/souvenirs by aristocracy and later released.
Northumberland has had its fair share of reports, some of them within 10miles of my location.A mate of mine told me of one occasion while out lamping, where the lamp picked up a large pair of green eyes staring back at him.Needless to say he didnt hang around to find out who the owner of the eyes was

Mark H

[CurreHound]

Originally Posted by naturelover

only read today about a big cat in the citizen free newspaper,it said it was like a black panther in the farmers field in the fens,been sighted more than once,it is believed that wild cats have populated in the uk since the dangerous wild animal act was brought about in 1976,they include from lynx to tiger were released into the wild and have bread,also says nine out of ten of the reported cases are in peoples gardens,schools and streets not out in the countryside.

Yes because country people generally keep it to themselves. We like them.
I figure it okay to mention it here bcause I am assuming you appreciate them too. Don't know...I am having reservations now I see there is a lot of hostility toward non native species! But I would deny it strenuosly if the filth came anywhere near. I have one photo. I am not putting it on any website though the local labour mp and press offered me 350 quid. Like I would sell my soul for that.
There are plenty of other pics and evidence.

As for cold tomato soup moustaches as I said...you see a hell of a lot more from horseback. After all would you go near a solitary smelly human in synthetic clothing that makes profuse "smelly" human sweat; crouching (a threat position) in undergrowth drinking rotting smelly soup?
No wonder you folk don't get to see much
Animals are not frightened by humans in clothing made from other animals (eg tweed sheep leather cows), that smell of other animals and horses. You will even get the elusive birds you seek landing on you sometimes.

[greenyonder]

yep!,there are here!,but to be honest what harm are they doing!...."yet",theres no significant loss of livestock,....or people!,i have been on my own witchhunt for these cats,an was lucky enough to come across a half grown puma in the cambrian mountains,in mid wales, it was more scared of me,than i was of it!,but i would not condone bravardo in all cases!,i have also seen a fully grown black panther cross a road 10 yards in front of my car!,less than half a mile from a town centre!,"crazy",i dont think the authorities have a keen interest in the subject,why cover it up?,whats the big deal?,theres more dangerous things roaming the streets on a saterday night for that matter!,i say, if you are like me lucky enough to see any of these creatures!,then shoot it by all means!....but with a camera please!.

[greenyonder]

try bovril nextime!also the cats will like the smell of it to!!!

[CurreHound]

Originally Posted by greenyonder

try bovril nextime!also the cats will like the smell of it to!!!

or make your own catnip soup.

Seriously though tweed and wool and leather (or fur or deerskin in the case or native people) enable you to get closer because your scent will be disguised. Ask a deerstalker Its why country people can smell a bit funny to town people. Watch them move from the tweed or the fur wearer when its damp on the tube.
And on a horse its four legs=friend two legs=foe.

Notice in the only recorded incidents of late with hunts they don't kill the big cats. For one thing they would take the hounds out; and secondly because its great to have them there. of course if they did grow to significant number then like anything they would have to be kept in check if they did hit livestock hard. Ask the Sami what Lynx do their reindeer. Mind you they do have rather a lot of them. As far as the eye can se with some herds. But big cats hunt over colossal areas unlike the Fox so at the moment their effect will be miniscule on individual herds. And puma in particular WILL attack people. So be careful in them thar woods

[Dogghound]

The only problem is with big cats is theres no evidnce (or inconclusive), the odd sighting here and there the quick glimpse etc, Alot of so called footprints turn out to be large dog's. Big cat's themselves are hard to see but they usually leave quite alot of signs. Scats, kills ??? where are they? the dead sheep thats been chewed by a Fox means nothing. The odd skull could be a dead pet, could have been there for years. If these cats are so spread out and all different species which the sightings suggest then how would they breed? Howcome no one has ever taken a decent photo? howcome people try and produce fakes? makes you wonder how many sightings are fake.

If someone could prove it then ill beleve it.

[coasty]

I am with Doghound on this one, I think many people genuinly beleive they have seen a big cat, but perhaps they saw something else, Dog Otter, Large domestic cat. Dog who knows.

The absence of hard evidence is the thing that ruins the show, If as is claimed these animals are the result of releases years ago then there must be a robust viable breeding population this would require a large area , Within this area there would be a requirement for several static populations to allow breeding pairs to take have kits , with the consequential increase in kill density. I can not beleive that a population such as this would remain undetected.

There are more than enough stray / and feral dogs and cats in this country to produce the animal kills that are reported.

I think it is plausible that in the past the odd animal has escaped or been released into the wild but breeding and large population no.

[goosey]

A few years back, Howard Hughes had a programme on a Saturday evening on Talk Sport called the unexplained. It was really interesting, conspiracy theories, Ufo's, the Supernatural,crop circles, big cat sightings, predictions etc. It was always worth a listen. Some times I found it quite un-nerving other times took it all with a pinch of salt - it dissapeared one week it self with out an explantion .Saturdays were not the same after that. I think there is alot to be said about all the subjects and a grain of truth in them as well. The big cat sighting are the most believable and I am sure there ar big cats all over the place - its a bit like the Loch Ness monster - I hope its true!

[paulchandler6]

Originally Posted by CurreHound

Well to date there is a lot more evidence for UFO's and alien big cats than for Saddam's WMD's.
Seems we pick and choose what we mean by proof.

A Quantox Hunt had a lynx up a tree a few years back.
The trllech panther is our local one and I don't know many country folk who haven't seen it: because there are almost certainly more than one over a huge expanse of monmouthshire and forest Of Dean.
A few cases of rotting dog carcasses up trees too.

Any photos?

Paul

[greenyonder]

Originally Posted by paulchandler6

I noticed a hello thread getting into cover ups on the existance of UFO's, Big cats in the wild in the UK etc.
Do we believe in the existance of these or other phonomena or do we feel there are cover ups and international conspiracies to supress these?
Also what hard evidence do we have, and I mean real proof.

Paul

"THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!!!"

[greenyonder]

the worst thing you could ever do is....run! that just triggers the natural instink in a cat to chase,...and kill!,try to stand your ground, look tall,and make as much noise as possible!....when i say noise i mean fearsome sounds,not like your scared or anything!,...probably easier said than done tho!!!,

[mh68]

Something to consider......how much hard evidence isnt reported for the reasons mentioned in the other thread - ie to protect the animals from being exterminated once located.Also, how much hard evidence has been submitted, never to see the light of day,if a cover up is prevalant?
I wouldnt submit photo`s i`d taken as proof of their existence, as tempting as it may be.

Mark H

[stripee]

There is supposed to be a big cat living near me known as "the Black Beast", I was thinking about it last night when I was out in the woods in the dark. What I would do if it turned up, well I could hit it with my stick, or run or else succumb and get eaten When I was a little kid I used to think I could get eaten by lions too fortunately not a huge threat in the UK. As for UFOs well they could be out there...in the US some (quite alot of)people believe that aliens could abduct them and have taken out insurance

[The Black Rabbit]

Originally Posted by mh68

Something to consider......how much hard evidence isnt reported for the reasons mentioned in the other thread - ie to protect the animals from being exterminated once located.Also, how much hard evidence has been submitted, never to see the light of day,if a cover up is prevalant?
I wouldnt submit photo`s i`d taken as proof of their existence, as tempting as it may be.

Mark H

Agree with that Mark.
Doug

[mh68]

The concensus of the info on uk big cats is that theyre unlikely to attack unless cornered with no escape route, so odds on, in a wood,they would have a means of escape without confrontation.On the other hand if you cornered a Puma in the alley by the back gate while putting the rubbish out and it has to pass you to escape....thats the time to worry
It would still be unnerving to see an animal of this kind, with the capability to hunt and kill you should it so choose,regardless of the situation in which you saw it.Well it would to me anyway...

Mark H

[mh68]

Originally Posted by The Black Rabbit

Agree with that Mark.
Doug

Its a catch 22 situation really Doug. Currehound has mentioned having a pic of one.....but (and I agree with him) he wont show it or submit it for fear of the animal being killed.Had he submitted the pic as evidence to their existence chances are the pic still wouldnt have seen the light of day for fear of panic.So its no surprise that there is a lack of hard evidence....

Mark H

Mark H

[Mr Mag00]

on UFO...last summer my son and i were out recording a thunderstorm, in the summer and trying to take photos, we were on the edge of an escarpment and looking toward a town we could see balls of light rising and falling. they were all orange in colour and one would disappear and others would appear. i do have some very grainy footage, like all dodgy stories lol, we have found no explanation for it at all. so perhaps something is out there??

on large cats, a very good friend of our family was driving home last year and a large spotted cat crossed the road in front of her not far my house, she was sober, a level headed professional woman. I have no doubt she saw a large cat. there have been a number of stories from dorset involving car accidents and large cats.
I was working in a barn conversion 7 years a go and whilst packing up late one night, there was an awful howl from the woodlands next door. it travelled at a great speed through the woods and made all my hair on my neck stand on end, it still does! I have heard deer, foxes and nothing has ever sounded like this!! the barn owners cat disappeared for nearly a week and was found cowering in a nearby barn. The owner also heard the sound over his hifi system in his house, it truly was a disturbing sound.

[hannahpanda]

Alot of big cats were kept as pets in the past and some escaped or were set lose when the owner got bored/could