UFO's, Big cats - Coverups ?

[honeybee]

Strange things do happen in the forest!!


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[therealbobbo]

There are no big cats in the wild in Britain,but there are plenty of plonkers,bobbo

[Garden Carpet]

Big cats have a big range.. and as far as i know.. the female can only mate (in some cases) every four years or so.. as it takes two years for her young to be old enough to live independantly.

My sister saw a large cat dissappear into a storm drain near my parents house some years ago. She is definatly not a person to become hysterical about things like this.

As with many other things that cant be proved, ghosts, crop circles, God!!! I will keep an open mind until such time that irrefutable evidence is available.

jaki

PS... isnt plonker a strong term to use

[honeybee]

I heard (but didn't see) that on an episode of 'Ben's Zoo' a captive puma attracted a 'wild' puma on Dartmoor.

[Ukwildlifeo]

There ARE big cats running about in the UK countryside. Theres no cover up, its just most scientists wont touch the subject because there are lot of loonies that have crazy theories on the subject and scientist dont want the reputation ruined (which is understandable when you depend on grants from benefactors for a living, and you dont wnating them thinking your a crackpot!)
But ive spoken to one of britains experts on the subjects and he showed me a whole photo album of scats, kills and foot prints. They also have hairs. People ask wheres the evidence - well its there, its just no one publishes it - a paper perfers THE BEAST OF BODMIN - to a puma that is descended from some pets released 30years ago. doesnt have the sanme ring does it!? lol

[The Black Rabbit]

The beast of Theale???!!!



Doug

[Garden Carpet]

cute kitty Doug
jaki

[coasty]

UFO.... Unidentified Flying Object,,,, Why cover that up... There are lots of unidentified flying objects,,,, Little green men from mars however are another thing entirely.

Big Cats,,, Theres a Ginger Tom down our street thats big but as for its capability to drag sheep of into the undergrowth,,Now I doubt that..

Until someone either films one . Captures one or kills one then they as far as I am concerned they dont exist. If anyone has any evidence of the existence of Pumas or any other non native large cat then they are hiding it, If you look at the food supply and the size of range that a big cat needs to survive, There is no possibility that one could survive in the wild in a heavily populated country like ours without it been spotted.

I shall continue to fly fish at night and venture into the wild of The NY moors armed only with my penknife and a ball of string. Protected by my trusty labrador. However If I mysteriousley dissapear from the forum and my wife claims the insurance then start looking around here....

[m1.carson]

Hi Coasty,

You're more likely to be done over by poachers than big cats to get you off the pool, although as more salmon are farmed and the price has dropped it's hardly worth their while.

A good freind say's she's seen the beast of dartmoor, no reason to disbeleive her, no proof either.

Black Rabbit,

The only beast in Theale was my ex-boss.

Max.

[epops]

After my my last couple of stake outs for the big cat supposed to roam about near harwich i cant it was the best thing i ever done in my life freezing cold,wet a couple of times and really tired the next day lol but we spoke to a bloke who reckons he saw it and is convinced it was a big cat by the way we did see one of the biggest foxs i've ever seen but alas the cat evaded us as for UFO's im gonna sit on the fence on this one for reasons of my own.

[outdoorguy]

two of my friends have seen wot they described as a black panther in my local area.. on seven mile lane in kent.. it's a large area if farmland and woods.. i go walking around there.. lots of phesants.. both saw it in the early hours of the morning.. and both of them i trust to know the difference between it, and any other animal.. they both said it was the thick tail that was most distinctive..and one of them said it crossed a country lane in two bounds.. no other animal of that kind could do that.. i totally believe wot they saw was a big cat.. as i mentioned lots of phesants for it to eat and miles of land for it.. and as for people who say that more people would see it.. people go to africa to see big cats for two weeks on safari and see none.. and there are humndreds of them there.. if they don't want to be seen they won't.. i'd love to see one.. from a distance obviously he he

[Ukwildlifeo]

This has some interesting evidence - though be warned its a bit graphic with animal carcasses Google Image Result for http://bigcatsgb.co.uk/resources/_wsb_410x308_Uwe+Neck+Reduced06.jpg

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by paulchandler6

I noticed a hello thread getting into cover ups on the existance of UFO's, Big cats in the wild in the UK etc.
Do we believe in the existance of these or other phonomena or do we feel there are cover ups and international conspiracies to supress these?
Also what hard evidence do we have, and I mean real proof.

Paul

Without reading the rest of the thread to date (I may have to post twice!), I certainly believe that life exists elsewhere, and using my logic, "UFOs" must exist. The logic being that there are practically an infinite number of planets in the universe, therefore there is a practically infinite chance of life existing, therefore an infinite chance of space races exisiting.

However, why they only ever seem to appear to hicks in backwaters I don't know Rosswell may have happened, it may not - but life exists out there somewhere.

I certainly hope big cats are out there, and thriving too, but I somehow think that they would have been noticed - they may be very cunning, but with such a large number of people & lack of habitat, I feel that hard evidence would be available - I doubt they would be able to cover up all of their hunting.

[honeybee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Without reading the rest of the thread to date (I may have to post twice!), I certainly believe that life exists elsewhere, and using my logic, "UFOs" must exist. The logic being that there are practically an infinite number of planets in the universe, therefore there is a practically infinite chance of life existing, therefore an infinite chance of space races exisiting.

However, why they only ever seem to appear to hicks in backwaters I don't know Rosswell may have happened, it may not - but life exists out there somewhere.

I certainly hope big cats are out there, and thriving too, but I somehow think that they would have been noticed - they may be very cunning, but with such a large number of people & lack of habitat, I feel that hard evidence would be available - I doubt they would be able to cover up all of their hunting.

You may have seen one (UFO) but the men in black came and erased it from your memory!

[blueboar]

Ufo's probably do exsist...

Big cats are in this country and walking around alive and well, I have seen a big cat in cumbria, and found black leopard prints in cambridgeshire and large prints in suffolk. I have talked to guys down here who have seen them and they know what they are on about.

I have had chats with deer stalkers in other parts of the country and they have found sheep carcasses, 12 feet up trees and the remains of Red Deer calves skinned and eaten on the fells.

bb

[coasty]

Originally Posted by blueboar

Ufo's probably do exsist...

Big cats are in this country and walking around alive and well, I have seen a big cat in cumbria, and found black leopard prints in cambridgeshire and large prints in suffolk. I have talked to guys down here who have seen them and they know what they are on about.

I have had chats with deer stalkers in other parts of the country and they have found sheep carcasses, 12 feet up trees and the remains of Red Deer calves skinned and eaten on the fells.

bb

If this thread is going to be discussed on this forum

Can we please start to use some logical expression and accuracy if this is to be any sort of logical discussion.

Firstly UFO this stands for unidentified flying object. Not many people would argue about the existence of these.. Because there are many sightings of things which are unidentifiable.. However as in some other posts ie Rainmaker below. There seems to be a blind faith that all UFO`s are the result of little green men from some far of planet.


Rainmaker

Without reading the rest of the thread to date (I may have to post twice!), I certainly believe that life exists elsewhere, and using my logic, "UFOs" must exist. The logic being that there are practically an infinite number of planets in the universe, therefore there is a practically infinite chance of life existing, therefore an infinite chance of space races exisiting.

How can it be logical to link UFO`s with the possibility of life elsewhere. That life exists in a different cosmos is a mathematical probability ( depending on what statitician you beleive ) However this does not prove that UFO`s are linked to life on other planets. If you beleive that flying saucers exist then please say so.

The existence of life on other planets will always be argued and can not be disproved. However life does not automatically mean intelligent life capable of space travel.

Secondly Big cats,,,,Blueboar... I would like to know how you can positively identify the animal as a Black leopard?. Also surely having found the prints you took photographic records or casts?..

Over the years I have stalked Deer in many locations and have seen no evidence of animals killed by big cats.. Poachers, Accidents, Illness, yes but not killed by big cats,, I have seen numerous animals that have been partly eaten/butchered by stray dogs,scavengers and man. Many of these could easily be mistaken for instances of big cat kills,

There is no evidence of the existence of these animals. If evidence existed someone would make a great deal of money from producing it.

Andy

[Dogghound]

A theory ive herd is that UFO's are infact people from the future travelling back in time. Who know's.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by coasty

Rainmaker

How can it be logical to link UFO`s with the possibility of life elsewhere. That life exists in a different cosmos is a mathematical probability ( depending on what statitician you beleive ) However this does not prove that UFO`s are linked to life on other planets. If you beleive that flying saucers exist then please say so.

The existence of life on other planets will always be argued and can not be disproved. However life does not automatically mean intelligent life capable of space travel.

Andy

If you EXTRAPOLATE the argument (just a minute bit ) then I'm saying that I believe UFOs exist.

I'll let you work it out, I'm sure you are able.

Chris

[epops]

I was one of the people who a few years back saw a "UFO" over the sea at clacton while we were fishing it was triangled shape and descibed by some to be the size of a football pitch and made no noise i must of missed that bit cause to me it looked like some kind of wierd plane granyed it was'nt that noisey but silent no way call me sceptic but guess is that it was somthing to do with the military.

[blueboar]

[/quote]
Secondly Big cats,,,,Blueboar... I would like to know how you can positively identify the animal as a Black leopard?. Also surely having found the prints you took photographic records or casts?..

Over the years I have stalked Deer in many locations and have seen no evidence of animals killed by big cats.. Poachers, Accidents, Illness, yes but not killed by big cats,, I have seen numerous animals that have been partly eaten/butchered by stray dogs,scavengers and man. Many of these could easily be mistaken for instances of big cat kills,

There is no evidence of the existence of these animals. If evidence existed someone would make a great deal of money from producing it.

Andy[/quote]

There was a chap called Trevor Beer, he was doing research into the big cats back in the 90's. plaster casts were made and sent off to be id'd, and they came back with the above. to which I beleive and did many others, and I still beleive to this day. The foot print was 4 1/2 inches wide and 5 inches in lenght. That was back in 94 though.

I have deer stalking for the last 15 years mainly up north, and yes, some carcasses have been the remains of partly eaten/butchered by stray dogs,scavengers and man. Many of these could easily be mistaken for instances of big cat kills.

But others arn't,

bb

[Coley]

Originally Posted by paulchandler6

I have a tendency to agree with you here. How many WAB'ers get out in the field with cameras ready not to mention others interested in wildlife. Surely if there are significant numbers of big cats roaming the British countryside we would have seen a pic by now?

Paul

Could just be that we're all to busy looking at the floor so we don't trip or take a wrong step while we're walking

[Coley]

Originally Posted by honeybee

Big cats have been found dead on roads. That's pretty hard evidence. But as to how many there are around would be down to speculation.

That answers one of my questions.
I was going to ask if any dead ones, that have not decomposed, have been found at all.

[Coley]

Originally Posted by Dogghound

A theory ive herd is that UFO's are infact people from the future travelling back in time. Who know's.

Then maybe they could alter the past in some way..... or maybe they allready have???

[Coley]

I and some of my family members saw an alien space craft (I say this as we identified it ) when I was seven. It was a pink sphere with a ring around it (like Saturn but incredibly smaller) it seemed to change colour like petrol but it stayed pink most of the time. I don't thik it was very big but either the size was changing or it was getting closer then further away. For a moment it disappeard but it re-apperd in a different place only to shoot away at amazing speed in to distance. I was young, but you don't forget somthing like that.