UFO's, Big cats - Coverups ?

[paulchandler6]

Originally Posted by Dogghound

There is a lack of hard evidence because there is none. Ive yet to see any hard evidence of a cat photo thats not distant or blurred, scats, a good print. Someone saying they have a photo of a black cat means very little, there are plenty of people who are less wildlife friendly out there that would want a large predator dead so it doesnt kill livestock attack people, im sure plenty of farmers and game keepers would'nt keep it quiet. And if you did have a good photo and didnt want the cat hurt then why not just keep tthe location secret

I have a tendency to agree with you here. How many WAB'ers get out in the field with cameras ready not to mention others interested in wildlife. Surely if there are significant numbers of big cats roaming the British countryside we would have seen a pic by now?

Paul

[honeybee]

Originally Posted by Dogghound

There is a lack of hard evidence because there is none. Ive yet to see any hard evidence of a cat photo thats not distant or blurred, scats, a good print. Someone saying they have a photo of a black cat means very little, there are plenty of people who are less wildlife friendly out there that would want a large predator dead so it doesnt kill livestock attack people, im sure plenty of farmers and game keepers would'nt keep it quiet. And if you did have a good photo and didnt want the cat hurt then why not just keep tthe location secret

Big cats have been found dead on roads. That's pretty hard evidence. But as to how many there are around would be down to speculation.

[mh68]

Originally Posted by Dogghound

There are more people that would show a shot than hide it, even the general public going to the papers etc.

Well, given the number of people who have made hoax shots of big cats/yetis/ufos etc etc I`d agree.And it is puzzling, considering the amount of people out and about with cameras in remote areas photographing wildlife.Its a tough one, and something I cant answer.

Mark H

[Dogghound]

Originally Posted by honeybee

Big cats have been found dead on roads. That's pretty hard evidence. But as to how many there are around would be down to speculation.

Any pictures? any proof they have been living wild? were are the people that hit them? I could get the carcass of an giraffe from a zoo plonk it in countryside and say its been living wild for years. (unlikely and id probrably get locked up) but not hard evidence.

[mh68]

Originally Posted by Dogghound

Any pictures? any proof they have been living wild? were are the people that hit them? I could get the carcass of an giraffe from a zoo plonk it in countryside and say its been living wild for years. (unlikely and id probrably get locked up) but not hard evidence.

See my previous link for one example....


Mark H

[Dogghound]

Interesting an area of the North york moors close to where i live. BUT its just a story no photo or evidence.

Just some guy after some abit of attention by the sounds of that, Why would DEFRA deny it? why doesnt the guy want to talk about it anymore (possibly his joke is over?). I could easily make up the same thing.

[mh68]

Fair comment, but what about the bit where the guards, when questioned say the cat was hit by a bus , after the whole incident was denied by both the MOD police and local constabulary?Why didnt they just deny it too?That bit doesnt add up to me...

Mark H

[Dogghound]

Originally Posted by mh68

Fair comment, but what about the bit where the guards, when questioned say the cat was hit by a bus , after the whole incident was denied by both the MOD police and local constabulary?Why didnt they just deny it too?That bit doesnt add up to me...

Mark H

Half that website doesnt add up, there is a picture of a domestic black cat walking down a wall and a dead sheep and they call that evidence . I agree it is abit odd what the guards say but its not hard evidence they exist.

[mh68]

Well, to fuel your side of the debate (i`m totally open minded to the whole subject, neither disbelieving nor believing)there was also that programme a while back where an expert american tracker was brought across to examine suspected big cat kills,and every single one was discounted as being that of dogs.I agree with you regarding evidence in the form of kills....to me none so far that i`ve seen could be confidently put down to being the work of big cats.

Mark H

[Dogghound]

Originally Posted by mh68

Well, to fuel your side of the debate (i`m totally open minded to the whole subject, neither disbelieving nor believing)there was also that programme a while back where an expert american tracker was brought across to examine suspected big cat kills,and every single one was discounted as being that of dogs.I agree with you regarding evidence in the form of kills....to me none so far that i`ve seen could be confidently put down to being the work of big cats.

Mark H

I saw that program made me laugh, was harsh but funny, the bloke had spent his life collecting all these pictures of track's etc, and the american guy goes through them DOWG.....DOWG.....DOWG....DOWG...and you see the disapointment in the english guy as his lifes work is being destroyed.

Yes the kills are normally a photo of a sheep with a hole in it, could be a Dog, could have died and been eaten by a host of mammals and birds. Also alot of the more clear photo's (very few iv seen) show the outline of a domestic cat lacking the size and large, long club ended shape of a panther's tail.

[mh68]

So, given your previous posts and your explanations regarding evidence, what would you class as hard evidence of the existence of these animals? Not a trick question in any way i`m genuinely curious....

Mark H

[Dogghound]

Originally Posted by mh68

So, given your previous posts and your explanations regarding evidence, what would you class as hard evidence of the existence of these animals? Not a trick question in any way i`m genuinely curious....

Mark H

Scatts/faeces (with DNA test to prove species)-common for big cat trackers to find these abroad.

A clear photo or video- All photo's iv seen have been blurred and poor quality (with the location to prove it was in the UK)

A Live individual

But perhaps the most important part would for these to be consisted and correlate with eachother. Say a photo and scat would be perfect, or a body and surrounding prints and scatts.

[mh68]

I would personally go one further regarding photos, and suggest an image still on a cameras memory card to prove no manipulation had taken place,submitted to an impartial and totally reliable witness to confirm it as such.
I`ve no recollection of which site it was, but i`m sure i saw on one of them that a scat had been ID`d positively as that of a big cat here in the uk.

Mark H

[Dogghound]

Originally Posted by mh68

I would personally go one further regarding photos, and suggest an image still on a cameras memory card to prove no manipulation had taken place,submitted to an impartial and totally reliable witness to confirm it as such.
I`ve no recollection of which site it was, but i`m sure i saw on one of them that a scat had been ID`d positively as that of a big cat here in the uk.

Mark H

True that would be more reliable. There are so many great camera's about at the moment so the image quality should be better. The problem is with them sites is you dont know the author etc, they are people that wnt you to believe that they exist so could say anything. Then again it might be true, consistently finding these scats would be a great way of proving me wrong.

[mh68]

Something else to ponder....what about the fact that in some cases there have been several independent sightings in an area in a short space of time all describing the same animal (i dont mean "big black cat", more those descriptions that could point to something more specific like a Puma)?

Mark H

[Dogghound]

Originally Posted by mh68

Something else to ponder....what about the fact that in some cases there have been several independent sightings in an area in a short space of time all describing the same animal (i dont mean "big black cat", more those descriptions that could point to something more specific like a Puma)?

Mark H

Mistaken identity? jumping on the band wagon? people do some pretty strange things. All im saying is i personally dont believe there is enough evidence to suggest there is a breeding population of Big cats in the UK, you might get the odd escapee etc, but very rarely. Anything released in the 70's is likely to be dead now. I carnt prove that there isnt big cats but then again no-one has proved there is with hard factual evidence.


P.S. Ive got a strange feeling im going to get mauled by a big cat soon just to be proven wrong the hardway

[mh68]

Originally Posted by Dogghound

P.S. Ive got a strange feeling im going to get mauled by a big cat soon just to be proven wrong the hardway

Well if that happens whip out your camera and its guaranteed to run off

Mark H

[Dogghound]

Originally Posted by mh68

Well if that happens whip out your camera and its guaranteed to run off

Mark H

LOL. . If its anything like the other cat shot's it will only come out blurred anyway

[mh68]

Yeah Dogghound but at least if it was mauling you at the time it would be a mega closeup

Mark H

[GuyF]

I dug out a BBC Wildlife magazine from last year which had an interesting article about big cats in the UK, and the evidence for and against. In the article they had a picture of a Lynx which was shot by a farmer in Norfolk in 1991, I managed to find this article about it.
BBC NEWS | England | Norfolk | Police report solves lynx mystery
The article also had the numbers of sightings in different counties between April 2004 and July 2005, Devon came top with 132!
Guy

[mh68]

If all the reports of sightings were to be believed, we would probably have more chance of seeing a big cat than a Fox in some areas,they would be everywhere!! ....the trouble being, working out what percentage are hoaxes/fabricated stories, what percentage are cases of wrong identity and what percentage are likely to be genuine.
There was a cracking video clip a while ago on youtube concerning a black "big cat" halfway up a tree - it was so obviously a large domestic cat it was laughable. Watched 2 other clips on there last night of supposed black big cats, both of which just didnt look right at all and looked like domestics to me aswell.

Mark H

[hannahpanda]

Wasnt it thought that Gorden Ramseys sheep was killed & eaten by some sort of wild cat? all the flesh was stripped from the bones

[mh68]

Yes I believe that was the rumour....wasnt it at "Beckingham" palace?

Mark H

[hannahpanda]

Originally Posted by mh68

Yes I believe that was the rumour....wasnt it at "Beckingham" palace?

Mark H

Yeah was at "Beckingham" palace. A vet analysed the carcass and said he suspected it was killed by a big cat.