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19-09-2007, 10:02 PM
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Thanks a lot I’ll give it ago at the weekend. It looks great for your first attempt.  Well done and thanks again. 
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19-09-2007, 10:03 PM
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Archaeology, canoeing, a bit of mountain biking, walking, used to climb but not any more, dog walking, woodworking, I read a lot, just finished the latest oeoeoeoe Francis (couldn't put it down). |
19-09-2007, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Salter  Ta Dah !!! one white loaf. 
And the Baker himself ! (Check out the apron lol) 
Smells right? mmmmm 
tasted right too  
Right....now all i need to do now is get undressed for my whipping session? how much is it going to cost me again? | Oh you bought that loaf from Asda didn't ya? Go on, fess up!
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19-09-2007, 10:46 PM
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Now that looks good. Well done Dan praise where praise is due! I can see WAB quickly becoming WAF  |
19-09-2007, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Cazzie Oh you bought that loaf from Asda didn't ya? Go on, fess up! |
Cheeky moo...no i didnt. It really isnt difficult...in fact NO COOKING is difficult if you can follow simple instructions...
people go wrong with when they get impatient and try cutting corners or missing out an ingredient....even my mum does it and it annoys me...
Even with this loaf i was worried as jamie used half normal flour half semolina flour whch i didnt have...but it still worked out ok. |
19-09-2007, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Salter thats basically it...id be interested to see svens view on this...to get it lighter ( although it is edible and not doughey) should i have used diff ingredients? or proved it for longer? or cooked it longer? | Goodness, I now have to switch from being the class dunce on the other forum to being some kind of guru here. Not sure I can cope with the pressure!
Many possible things to try to get a fluffier loaf - and no matter how good you get it, you'll always want to know how to do better. Probably the best tip is to try again and get to know your dough. It is a skill and an art - I'm a dabbler compared to others, but I certainly got better the more I did.
Some things you could experiment with that may help. If you used dried active yeast, maybe switch to instant, as it is a bit quicker off the mark, or alternatively make sure that the dried active yeast is properly activated before using (I prefer dried active, mix with warm water and bit of sugar or honey and wait for the head to form, about an inch thick will do). You could add a bit of oil, or milk in place of some of the water, makes it a bit smoother. Or (bit weird this one) you could add a bit of mashed potato, which keeps it moist and fresh a lot longer. Maybe you got a bit hasty with the kneading, it's easy to cut corners here, but makes a difference. Was it properly doubles in size before knocking back? My new method that I tried today, autolysing and french folding was a revelation - trasnformed the texture like I've never managed before, and a walk in the park compared to kneading, although I missed the toil involved in the more usual way.
If you want more recipes, I'll PM you some rather than clog this thread up more (unless others want to see them too) but if you're really into it, a good place to start would be the Book of Bread by Ingram and Schapter, loads of recipes from around the world, easy to use and quite inspiring.
Well done again. Tell you what, the most appreciated gifts I give to people are fresh home baked loaves - keep this up, and you'll be a popular man, despite your whip fetish!
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19-09-2007, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Salter Cheeky moo...no i didnt. It really isnt difficult...in fact NO COOKING is difficult if you can follow simple instructions...
people go wrong with when they get impatient and try cutting corners or missing out an ingredient....even my mum does it and it annoys me...
Even with this loaf i was worried as jamie used half normal flour half semolina flour whch i didnt have...but it still worked out ok. | Moi? Cheeky Moo?  Nice pinny btw!
OK, well done Danny boy *claps hands*... where's my slice then? oh, and how come your not covered in flour?
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19-09-2007, 11:28 PM
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Some things you could experiment with that may help. If you used dried active yeast, maybe switch to instant, as it is a bit quicker off the mark, or alternatively make sure that the dried active yeast is properly activated before using (I prefer dried active, mix with warm water and bit of sugar or honey and wait for the head to form, about an inch thick will do). You could add a bit of oil, or milk in place of some of the water, makes it a bit smoother. Or (bit weird this one) you could add a bit of mashed potato, which keeps it moist and fresh a lot longer. Maybe you got a bit hasty with the kneading, it's easy to cut corners here, but makes a difference. Was it properly doubles in size before knocking back? QUOTE]
I did mix with warm water and honey and dissolved and got the head...I tell you what the problem is and always is when i cook anything ( including my jam last week) my mother watching over me with her "know it all" comments and rushing me...im an absolute perfectionist...i wanted to keep kneeding...but no... " I have been baking bread since before you were born..im telling you its ready now stop kneeding"...and with the jam...i will keep re checking my setting point until im totally happy its ready but oh no...one check.." Thats fine...IT WILL SET...stop worrying"...so what happened?,...Runny jam.
All the jam i have made on my own....perfect.
I shall make a loaf home alone next time and see how i get on....Impatience and know it all...drives me mad.
if she KNOWS IT ALL...why do her roast potatoes suck...and always have done...and my are crispy and lovely.  |
19-09-2007, 11:53 PM
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Sven, could you please tell me more about this autolysing and french folding. I used to love to make bread.. and pizza bases.. but had to give up because of a neck and back problem... cant knead enough to make the dough good. Sounds like the method you used for your bread today may work for me.
Dan.. your bread looks wonderful.. i can almost smell it from here... well done for a first attempt.. bet you will be making it often.. as it seems to be eaten much faster than shop bought bread
jaki
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19-09-2007, 11:55 PM
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Dan.. your bread looks wonderful.. i can almost smell it from here... well done for a first attempt.. bet you will be making it often.. as it seems to be eaten much faster than shop bought bread
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Indeed and as far as im aware it goes stale quicker too so needs eating fast...that mash potato idea sounds good. |
20-09-2007, 12:09 AM
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Dan, fluffy bread is not the aim (not when I make it, anyway!) I want bread you can spread butter on without the slice falling apart, and can chew without it turning into a glutinous glop in your mouth! Good luck though, and do try the wild yeast thing, though you might not get the ideal starter first time
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20-09-2007, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by thunder Dan, fluffy bread is not the aim (not when I make it, anyway!) I want bread you can spread butter on without the slice falling apart, and can chew without it turning into a glutinous glop in your mouth! Good luck though, and do try the wild yeast thing, though you might not get the ideal starter first time
henrya | Thanks thunder...my loaf is probably perfect to many peoples taste..but it just doesnt feel as fluffy as the home made loafs you get from a real bakers for my liking. And i plan to try the starter thing one day but as this was my first ever loaf today i want a little more practice and experience first !...We actually HAVE a bread making machine in the garage..but i have refused to use it...how good am i ? |
20-09-2007, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Garden Carpet Sven, could you please tell me more about this autolysing and french folding. I used to love to make bread.. and pizza bases.. but had to give up because of a neck and back problem... cant knead enough to make the dough good. Sounds like the method you used for your bread today may work for me. | OK, since you ask
Autolysing is simply mixing only the flour and water together and leaving it to sit (covered) on its own in a corner for a while, 30-40 minutes say. That allows the gluten to develop, for the water to get into the gluten, (the protein that make the dough springy). This will be the same effect as having kneaded for 15 minutes or so.
At that point, add the rest of the ingredients (if using dried active yeast, it is a bit awkward as you may have to hold back some water to be able to activate the yeast I haven't really sussed that out yet, but I'll work on it).
So, on to the folding.
Take the dough out (more like a paste at this stage) and stretch it out into a flat sheet, mashing any lumps of dry flour still in it with the heel of your hand to get them mixed in properly. Having stretched it out, into anything from A4-A3 size, fold in three like you fold a letter to go in an envelope, then fold in three again in the other direction, so it looks more like a proper lump of dough in shape. Put that back in the bowl and cover for 45 minutes, the take it out and repeat the stretching and folding, back in the bowl for 45 more, then do it all once more. After the final 45 minutes, take it out, stretch it out flat again, but this time roll it up, or otherwise shape it for the pan. Leave to rise before baking like normal. Voila!
Couldn't believe how simple it was, and amazingly effective. The key is apparently not to maul the dough too much when stretching as that will damage the gluten. Apparently.
I saw a link to a video clip of someone doing this somewhere, I'll see if I can track it down, might be easier to see it than follow my instructions.
Hope that helps.
Cheers
Sven
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20-09-2007, 01:05 AM
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Sven,thank you for that.. i can see exactly what you mean by it.. it might just be the answer to my problem. I take it you can use any recipe in this way?
Looking forward to trying this now... have to add bread flour and yeast to the list tomorrow
jaki
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20-09-2007, 07:30 AM
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Good grief, do you people spend all night on the forum? There's 2 pages been added since yesterday. Dan, that's a super loaf, I'm really jealous, my first efforts were horrible. And the baker's not bad either if I may say so. Nice glaze as well, did you use egg? (The loaf I mean, I'm back to that now) I never bother with glaze which is probably why my bread never looks that appetising.
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20-09-2007, 07:51 AM
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Think we should alter the title to the Bread Thread!!!
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20-09-2007, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Salter God i cant stand those cross stitch things i think they are ghastly and hideously bad taste but it seems your all at it here?...im going to get my nan to join WAB she will love you lot | Each to their own
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20-09-2007, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Wild-Woman Think we should alter the title to the Bread Thread!!! | Doesn't WAB stand for 'Wild About Bread'?  
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20-09-2007, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay77 Good grief, do you people spend all night on the forum? There's 2 pages been added since yesterday. Dan, that's a super loaf, I'm really jealous, my first efforts were horrible. And the baker's not bad either if I may say so. Nice glaze as well, did you use egg? (The loaf I mean, I'm back to that now) I never bother with glaze which is probably why my bread never looks that appetising.
Jane | Oooh have i pulled?  although im not entirely sure by your name if your man or woman? and you may also be 77 ? lol
yes i used the usual egg and milk glaze. |
20-09-2007, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Wild-Woman Wicked! Amber-beautiful stuff. VERY expensive though. I also have(somewhere rattling around the loft) a box of Corgi cars. I hated dolls etc so I used to play with my brother's cars and ended up with them when I was a kid. | I love Amber - and yes it is quite costly to collect which is why I only have a few pieces. I also love Labradorite - the amazing blues and greens that come though in differnt light looking almost like insect wings is amazing - but again expensive when you are after large pieces but cheap compared to Amber!
I think with the Corgi Cars I am trying to re-capture my childhood!
Also forgot one of my big hobbies was playing the guitar but they have sat in their cases for the last 12 months or so as there just isn't enough time. Mind playing the guitar creates a lot of GAS (Gear aquisition syndrome) ending up in their being about 14 guitars in the house - now it's down to a 'sensible' five; two electro acoustics, one nylon strung electro acoustic and two electrics. |
20-09-2007, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ChasCreek I love Amber - and yes it is quite costly to collect which is why I only have a few pieces. I also love Labradorite - the amazing blues and greens that come though in differnt light looking almost like insect wings is amazing - but again expensive when you are after large pieces but cheap compared to Amber!
I think with the Corgi Cars I am trying to re-capture my childhood!
Also forgot one of my big hobbies was playing the guitar but they have sat in their cases for the last 12 months or so as there just isn't enough time. Mind playing the guitar creates a lot of GAS (Gear aquisition syndrome) ending up in their being about 14 guitars in the house - now it's down to a 'sensible' five; two electro acoustics, one nylon strung electro acoustic and two electrics. | Dont even talk to be about GAS i nearly needed therapy and a bigger house....cut down to my old faithfulls and longest with me now....Les paul, Tele. Strat, 2 gibbo acoustics and a les paul i built myself. i think thats it...but their may be some others lurking....and as for vintage marshalls..... |
20-09-2007, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jdurbo Whats wrong with tigers? bet you just got nude women on your wall..classy NOT!
And no i dont have horse brasses although my dad used to have them when i was a kid
You dont seem to like much do you?? Its not healthy to be bitter and twisted about so much in life!!!
jen xxx | well said jen. |
20-09-2007, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by naturelover well said jen. | Dont you start ! and its all just playfull banter....if JDURBO wants her home to be fit for Pat Butcher then thats up to her ! |
20-09-2007, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Salter Dont you start ! and its all just playfull banter....if JDURBO wants her home to be fit for Pat Butcher then thats up to her ! | Who is Pat Butcher??... and if you know of her.. does that mean you watch the horrible tv programme she comes from.. assuming she comes from a tv programme
Jest pullin' ya leg Danno hehehe
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