More cruelty

[cresshead101]

sorry i keep posting more stuff,yes,i suppose if you saw "them" doing it,you'd want to go right over and sort them out.ithink a good example in th parent is the most important thing,someone the kid can look up to,not just purely"who's boss"

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by cresshead101

no offence intended,but is that really the solution?i think not.violence leads to more violence,after all.i think that is totally wrong.

I agree on the whole (and after all I didnt do it even tho it was richly deserved) but in the face of a legal system which gives laughably light punsishment for these offences - and the odious little middle class creeps know that they are protected from even these by their parents wealth - one of these actually said when caught " they aint going to do ****, its only a bird anyway, i'll call my dad and with one phone call he'll get me let go , why dont you ... (profanity at length) - i can do what the **** i like ..."

this was the one who later walked scot free on the grounds that he was led astray by his mate so it seems that he was indeed right about the effectiveness of the uk justice system.

If the system isnt going to punish behaviour like that described on this thread effectively , and violence isnt the answer then what is ? or should we just let scrotes and asbo fodder terrorise and maim the local wildlife unchecked ?

[cresshead101]

that's a good question,and one that hasn't been answered,and mabye never will.people need to work harder to stop bothering people.

[kshotton45]

Originally Posted by cresshead101

yeah,i feel like i want to bash those idiots hard too,and give their parents a good talking to,you're right,kshotton(right spelling??!)but iv'e never agreed with hitting.it does get you fired up,though!

Spell it - K e i t h !!

Originally Posted by cresshead101

sorry i keep posting more stuff,yes,i suppose if you saw "them" doing it,you'd want to go right over and sort them out.ithink a good example in th parent is the most important thing,someone the kid can look up to,not just purely"who's boss"

Don't apologise for posting 'more stuff ' . It's posts that make this site what it is. Keep them coming. Look at Eeyore, they've even Knighted him and he still wont shut up !!

Keith.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by kshotton45

Don't apologise for posting 'more stuff ' . It's posts that make this site what it is. Keep them coming. Look at Eeyore, they've even Knighted him and he still wont shut up !!

Keith.

lol i'm angling for a baronecy

[cresshead101]

ggrrr!now i'm jealous!what's the highest rank?i just kept thinking of more stuff to add on,don't worry,i won't cut my posts,i want knighted,too!between pidgeons and animal cruelty,thi has been a long night....i think i'll go now.see you!(first tell me what the highest rank is,i want to go to sleep dreaming of it.....)

[naturelover]

Originally Posted by cresshead101

yes,show them who's boss by all means,but at least in a reasonable manner.i'm sorry if that's what you meant,but it sounded a bit extreme,i've never agreed with physical punishment .

hi when i said a clump i dont mean beat them up,i am not that sort of person atall i mean a slap when they are kids that way they respect you,i have seen and heard how kids speak to their mums and dads mine wouldnt speak to me like that now and their in their 30s and 40s.

[cresshead101]

oh,o.ksorry,i got a bit confused.it makes me mad to hear about kids that would be so stupid . being cruel for fun is just wrong.

[Gill Catton]

Originally Posted by eeyore

i think keiths point was that a lot of these little yobs are not from deprived backgrounds at all (tho of course some are) - when i was a ranger we used to regularly catch vandals , muggers , theives, and general hooligans who were from a middle class background and who's mummy and daddy were generally either horified , or in some cases in denial (my little darling wouldnt do such a thing)

one case comes to mind where i apprehended two little (15 and 16) scrotes who were feeding swans bits of bread heavily laced with paracetamol powder ( one bird died from the over dose , one recovered after a stomach pump) the parents of these charming asets to society were in one case a doctor and a stockbroker , and in the other a police inspector and a bank manager. they werent in the slightest deprived they were just nasty little ooooooo

the other downside was of course that mummy and daddy could afford major legal representation and the two got off in one case scot free ( "he was led astray by the nasty big boys" ) and in the other with a caution ( "he didnt realise the harm he could cause and hes really sorry" ) which really showed them the error of their ways

Justice and nature would have been much better served had i just given them both a good kicking , but uinfortunately i didnt fancy losing my job

I don't think bad parenting, neglect or cruelty are entirely associated with wealth.

but yes just nasty people do exist, but I do think they are made not born - unless a mental illness is the cause.

[naturelover]

Originally Posted by Gill Catton

I don't think bad parenting, neglect or cruelty are entirely associated with wealth.

but yes just nasty people do exist, but I do think they are made not born - unless a mental illness is the cause.

hi yes i think you hit the nail on the head with saying they are made, if thats the case they want to through away the mould,would save alot of tourture wouldnt it.

[medieval knievel]

from what i've seen, the more you were hit by your folks growing up, the more likely you'll end up the sort of person described above.
re the effect of parenting on who you turn out to be, the blank slate by steven pinker is worth a read. apparently it's roughly 50/50 in terms of nature vs. nurture, but most of the nurture is learned from peers, not parents. so the best thing a parent can do is try to ensure good peers.

[Gill Catton]

Originally Posted by medieval knievel

from what i've seen, the more you were hit by your folks growing up, the more likely you'll end up the sort of person described above.
re the effect of parenting on who you turn out to be, the blank slate by steven pinker is worth a read. apparently it's roughly 50/50 in terms of nature vs. nurture, but most of the nurture is learned from peers, not parents. so the best thing a parent can do is try to ensure good peers.

but also how do you learn to be a good parent? They don't teach it in schools so you can only really learn from your own parents and how you were brought up yourself. What hope do you have if your own parents were rubbish at things like empathy, discipline or respect - let alone love, affection or encouragement

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Gill Catton

but also how do you learn to be a good parent? They don't teach it in schools so you can only really learn from your own parents and how you were brought up yourself. What hope do you have if your own parents were rubbish at things like empathy, discipline or respect - let alone love, affection or encouragement

I'm not sure about that my old man is a miserable alcoholic oooooo who has no idea about love , affection , encouragement, or acting like a resonable adult - so now you know where I got it from

no , joking aside, I've grown up nothing like him and this is down to finding other role models as to how a man or an adult should behave, and i like to think down to having reasonable strength of character - which shows that it can be done if you have the desire to do so. Modern society is far too ready to look for excuses for people who do wrong rather than expecting them to take responsibility for their own actions.

[Jez]

Theres no set bounderies these days! The cane was used when i was a lad as a final result and it had a fear factor so it made people think twice! I clearly remember those who were often sent for the cane. There Responsible adults now and never have gotten up to sick acts like this in any case. Can't a female lion smack her cub when he gets out of line because that is what she does. It's animal behavior to scold there young if they overstep the mark!

[Billy Wobble Dagger]

Where to start? Every day there seems to be some sort of wildlife cruelty and if there isn’t it’s some sort of vandalism to nature reserves. There is no quick fix to the problem. I don’t know the answer but I’m sure it must be down to parents and role models, as has already been said. However we need to look at role models in a wider sphere, not Uncle Bob, but our football players, singers and other so called celebs. If these people started to act in a decent and adult way, and the press stopped reporting ever little detail of their lives then maybe our youngsters may start to behave in a proper way. Another problem is the way violence is being dumbed down with computer games, films etc. It sickens me that British soldiers are getting killed in Iraq and Afghanistan and that is the second news item after an item about a footballer who has stubbed his toe. What hope have we of saying that to an animal when people are getting killed and a stubbed toe is top of the bill?
Of course we do need a better justice system, which would include doubling the numbers in our police forces, and giving them powers to stop and search who ever when ever. If you’ve nothing to hide what’s the problem. Harsher sentences would help. I’m not saying we should have a police state or a dictatorship but we need to know if we do something against the law we will pay for it.
In the mean time, we, the decent members of this wonderful island should lead by example and do all we can to spread the word on the right way to treat each other and the wildlife we share the land with.

BWD

[Jez]

Well put!

[naturelover]

Originally Posted by Billy Wobble Dagger

Where to start? Every day there seems to be some sort of wildlife cruelty and if there isn’t it’s some sort of vandalism to nature reserves. There is no quick fix to the problem. I don’t know the answer but I’m sure it must be down to parents and role models, as has already been said. However we need to look at role models in a wider sphere, not Uncle Bob, but our football players, singers and other so called celebs. If these people started to act in a decent and adult way, and the press stopped reporting ever little detail of their lives then maybe our youngsters may start to behave in a proper way. Another problem is the way violence is being dumbed down with computer games, films etc. It sickens me that British soldiers are getting killed in Iraq and Afghanistan and that is the second news item after an item about a footballer who has stubbed his toe. What hope have we of saying that to an animal when people are getting killed and a stubbed toe is top of the bill?
Of course we do need a better justice system, which would include doubling the numbers in our police forces, and giving them powers to stop and search who ever when ever. If you’ve nothing to hide what’s the problem. Harsher sentences would help. I’m not saying we should have a police state or a dictatorship but we need to know if we do something against the law we will pay for it.
In the mean time, we, the decent members of this wonderful island should lead by example and do all we can to spread the word on the right way to treat each other and the wildlife we share the land with.

BWD

hi all that you have said makes sence i believe all that too,the law has taken away the fear of police,school teachers,heads and any one who is with children,i have said for years the kids have no fear of anyone these days, i know when i was a kid i was scared of all i have spoken about you tryed your utmost to please your teacher to keep them in a good mood,i know for a fact teachers have commited suicide because of the torment by the school kids,that never happend in the 50s and 60s when you got a blackboard rubber hussed at you across the classroom,and the head always had a cane so we were good cos we didnt want the cane and it hardly ever got yoused because he had that threat,i say bring back the cane and stop this country being so soft,what about old people being attact and even killed for there pension,this has got to be stopped befor it gets any worse.

[Jez]

I get frustrated because NO No violence can there be! How violent were we back then? Were Ambulance drivers attacked NO where Nurses & Doctors Attacked NO Were School Teachers attacked NO but now on the streets violence is rife you only have two switch on your box to see the Antics our young girls & guys on A weekend bender to know what the young adults of Great Britain are actually like, and all they get is put in a cell over night and sent home the following morning! 1 more thing i would like to see happen is the return of lights out. It's no fun when you suddenly loose visibility. Car crime would drop too and violence would drop & it would save a lot of energy being waisted!

[eeyore]

i agree from an environmental point of view but suspect that turning the lights off would actually increase street crime as it would make it easier for perpetrators to hide both before the act and afterwards

[medieval knievel]

is crime really that much more common, or is reporting getting more shrill? from what i can see (quick browse of statistics online), the murder rate in britain held fairly steady between the 60s and 2002, which is when that report was published.

[Jez]

Originally Posted by eeyore

i agree from an environmental point of view but suspect that turning the lights off would actually increase street crime as it would make it easier for perpetrators to hide both before the act and afterwards

I still believe that car crime would drop, people would be off the streets but it can't proven until. i do reckon car crime went up largely on our estate when it became a an all night light nation where the thief could pick and choose. I think this energy is waisted on waisters and on the planet. If lights were every other than that would still be a big reduction in emmissons.

Murder rates staying level is a good thing but i think abh and gbh is surely at an all time high

[aestarte]

Originally Posted by demicav

It sickens me to the core. The youths of today are pathetic, bring back national service and make real men out of them, they're cowards, pathetic, stupid cowards with nothing better to do as their brains won't stretch far enough. Children should be tought from a young age to respect animals, to me that's part and parcel of being a responsible parent. If parents can't hack it they shouldn't be having kids.

As for the crossbow attacks, this sort of thing seems to be on the increase and the people responsible should be taken to one side and have the same thing done to them, then left to rot in the gutter where they belong. SCUM.

it really saddens me as to the state this country is in how can so called human beings be like this I know this is a family site so my expressions have all been hurled at the screen instead of cyberspace but really come on we are supposed to be the most intelligent species on the planet OOOO it just makes you see people in a different light completely. I agree national service would be perfect and they take girls as well as boys now and girls are usually as bad as boys. WHERE ARE THE PARENTS!!!!!!!And I'm not an old fuddy duddy I'm a young mum who has bothered to take an interest in my kids and what they get up to.AAAAGGGHHHH!!!!!!

[Interpreter]

Originally Posted by kshotton45

I think they must be lacking something mentally. Don't they realise it's wrong ?
Do they think there's no pain involved.
I would willingly give them a damn good thrashing.

keith.

Of course they know that it's wrong. They just don't care. And why should they care? If they are caught they will not be punished for it. Maybe a small fine or posibly probation. It is a laugh isn't it.

Now if they brought back corporal punishment, perhaps the pain and humiliation of a public thrashing would do them some good. That, of course, would be agaist their civil liberties/human rights, so it couldn't be done. After all we must remember that it isn't their fault: it is the swans fault for being there.

Now you all know that I am not a great believer in political correctness, which appears to run this country and I do believe in corporal punishment and in capital punishment. Both are great deterers.

[eeyore]

you have a point up to a point , however sadly there are those in positions of authority who abuse them - west midlands crime squad may ring a bell for example. neither corporal or capital punishement should be employed unless we have complete trust in those charged with administering justice.

[Jez]

Q. Whats more cruel? An innocent child been shot in the head on his way home from footy practise or being punished for the shooting! The innocent being shot was a cruel act insane in fact. Our fore fathers went to war to fight for this country to be free and this is what they get in return. So called Big boys flauting arms on Utube lets defuse it. ON the news last night a repoter said "gun crime isn't getting out of hand"???? Yer you can see her point-Not