Dog Breeds banned from council houses

Kayleigh · #1 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 12:30 PM

I didn't know where to post this, but I know there are dog lovers on this site.

Dublin city council have banned 11 breeds of dogs from all of its properties including houses flats and estates. Existing dog owners are going to have to re home their beloved pets or put them down.
Some of the breeds include Rottweilers, bull terriers, and German Sheppard's.

There is also talk of banning these dogs from public parks.

How long will it be before this law is introduced in England,Scotland and Wales??

If you are against this you can sign the petition and leave comments if you want to.

Sign the Citizens against Dog ban Petition

Kymba · #2 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 12:50 PM

Well if that law comes to England there is no way I am getting rid of my two GSD's..if we take ours out walking where there is a chance of bumping into other people they are both Muzzled.. Not because they are aggressive (quite the opposite ) But just for the fact they are big dogs and people are scared of them..
Am getting fed up of all these laws telling us what we can and can't do and what we can and cant have

Any dog can be aggressive if they have bad owners (poodles, jack Russels, Yorkies, as well as big dogs).. So are they going to ban them all ?????

Boddie · #3 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 12:53 PM

I heard this last week when in Ireland. Rhodesian Ridgeback was even on the list

jj-harrishawker · #4 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 12:53 PM

two words nanny state

Kayleigh · #5 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kymba

Well if that law comes to England there is no way I am getting rid of my two GSD's..if we take ours out walking where there is a chance of bumping into other people they are both Muzzled.. Not because they are aggressive (quite the opposite ) But just for the fact they are big dogs and people are scared of them..
Am getting fed up of all these laws telling us what we can and can't do and what we can and cant have

Any dog can be aggressive if they have bad owners (poodles, jack Russels, Yorkies, as well as big dogs).. So are they going to ban them all ?????

I have seen pics of your dogs kym and they are beautiful. We re homed a gorgeous springer last September.

kshotton45 · #6 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 02:04 PM

That's a bit harsh.

I've signed the petition.

Keith.

Gill Catton · #7 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 02:13 PM

why don't they just bring back licences? That to own a dog you have to train and show that you are capable just as you have to with driving? Yes some breeds may have a tendancy towards aggressiveness - its been bred into them for centuries by us, but the driving factor with regard to their behaviour is how they are brought up surely and only a problem when a dog is brought up by someone who doesn't properly know what they are doing?

Kayleigh · #8 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 02:44 PM

They should ban all the puppy farms and do something about dog fighting and the drug problems. They need to tackle the real problems not make innocent dog owners the scape goat. This ban will not stop dog fighting or drug dealing.

Flying Solo · #9 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 02:56 PM

This is ridiculous, i work at a kennels. And have had people telling us other kennels have stopped taking these breeds! Ive never had a problem with the larger breeds, they are easy to read and see whethr there scared etc. Its the little ones that should be banned the amount of times ive been bitten by jack russels, yorkies etc with the excuse o their terriers!

Its all down to the owner, no such thing as a bad dog its a bad owner

sophie

lobro punter · #10 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 03:07 PM

This is wrong
ill sign the petition.

LP

glsammy · #11 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 03:08 PM

This makes me furious. Talk about hitting the easy target.

There's nothing wrong with any of those breeds, or any other for that matter. It's ALWAYS down to the individual owners at the end of the day. To make a whole area a no go area for dogs like this is simply madness.
I had a German Shepard for 10 years and a fantastic animal he was. If some jobsworth idiot tried to tell me I couldn't have him...

I've got to stop, I'll end up being censored by the moderators which in my position will be a bit embarrassing.

edit: I've signed the petition.

Flying Solo · #12 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 03:13 PM

over 7000 signitures so far

Paul mabbott · #13 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 04:40 PM

Well, we don't know any of the background to this - and do most of us have any right to interfere in a local Irish matter?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kayleigh

I didn't know where to post this, but I know there are dog lovers on this site.

Dublin city council have banned 11 breeds of dogs from all of its properties including houses flats and estates. Existing dog owners are going to have to re home their beloved pets or put them down.
Some of the breeds include Rottweilers, bull terriers, and German Sheppard's.

There is also talk of banning these dogs from public parks.

How long will it be before this law is introduced in England,Scotland and Wales??

If you are against this you can sign the petition and leave comments if you want to.

Sign the Citizens against Dog ban Petition

Kayleigh · #14 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 04:52 PM

Dear Elaine

Urgent News from DoggySnaps.com.

Dublin City Council has recently banned 11 breeds of dog (including Rottweilers, Bull Terriers and German Shepherds) from all their properties, including houses, flats and estates. Existing tenants are being given a chance to rehome their animals, but if alternative accommodation can't be found, then the dogs will be destroyed. It also seems likely that these breeds will be banned from public parks - which means dog owners living in private accommodation will also be affected.

A petition to reverse the decision has been organised by Irish lobbying group ANVIL (Animals Need a Voice in Legislation). So please sign the petition today by clicking this petition link ...

and please pass this email onto everyone you know who cares about dogs.

To find out more about this injustice, you can visit our forum here.

As we all know, it's a small minority of irresponsible owners that give breeds a bad name - to punish an entire breed and all its owners is simply ridiculous. We are urging Dublin City Council to punish "deeds not breeds."

Whilst you may not live in Ireland, breed-specific legislation is becoming more commonplace all over the world, so please help us to send a signal to legislators everywhere that dog lovers will unite to oppose ill-informed, cruel laws which punish innocent dogs and their owners.

On behalf of everyone at ANVIL and DoggySnaps, thank you for your invaluable support.

Your friends at DoggySnaps

DoggySnaps is the online dog community website run by Dogs Trust. To find out more, visit DoggySnaps.com.

This is the e-mail I received today from dogs trust. I think we do have a right to say if law is wrong. if we don't stick up for the dogs and the people that have a right to own dogs where will it end. They will ban cats next.

Ann2 · #15 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 04:54 PM

I think you may find that a number of local authorities already restrict the type of dog they allow tenants to keep in council owned properties.

Ann

stripee · #16 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 05:07 PM

Good

I think there are too many dogs. There are irresponsible owners, and inappropriate types and sizes and numbers of dogs kept. Yes, bring back the licence system. One dog per owner, neutered, and no unathorised breeding.

Paul mabbott · #17 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stripee

One dog per owner, neutered, and no unathorised breeding.

... and they should neuter the dogs as well ....

jj-harrishawker · #18 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 05:57 PM

nuetered i think not! how would i breed my brittany when hes older!

demicav · #19 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 07:42 PM

I am so angry, words cannot express. Yes some dogs due to their type may genetically be more programmed to behave a certain way but ANY dog can bite and be dangerous. Between my husband and I we've owned Jack russels, Greyhounds, Rottweilers and Cavalier king Charles Spaniels. I'd definately put my money on the Jack Russels being the most snappy out of all our dogs ( not that I'm saying all others are ). At the moment we own 2 Cavalier King Charles Spaniels, we went for this breed of dog as we know they are very good with children, but the bitch can be a little snappy, not a lot, a bit, so we know we have to be careful with regards to the children.
This is clearly another case of laws being passed that affects decent people, while leaving the real problem to get even bigger. Some people buy dogs for all the wrong reasons, to look tough, they're a status symbol, we all know who these people are. They seem to crave the same look and same breeds of dog, Bull Terrier types, English and American Bull Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier and Bull dogs. These dogs are the victims, sometimes involved in illegal dog fighting, beaten, starved, abused and they're also the victims of bad press, whether they are trained or not. These dogs can all be trained and be loving with the RIGHT owner, which they will be denied if laws like this get any worse, they'll continue to fall into the wrong hands, while the root of the problem never being weeded out. Ridiculous.

warehouseman56 · #20 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 08:04 PM

What a heartbreaking, ignorant and unkind piece of legislation.
I can't find the words.
Colin

It is not about caring for dogs, it is about caring for people.
Destroying peoples dogs, because they cannot afford to live in private accomadation is wicked enough my friend.
There must be a lot of frightened, defiant and deeply hurt people in Dublin tonight.
We form close bonds with our animals.
Hate it!

Tormentil · #21 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 08:15 PM

From he Dublin Council website....

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From 1st July 2007 and in the interest of good estate management, Dublin City Council has introduced a ban on the following dog breeds or crosses of these breeds with other dogs, within their housing estates and flat complexes:

* American Pit Bull Terrier
* Staffordshire Bull Terrier
* English Pit Bull Terrier
* Bull Mastiff
* Doberman Pinscher
* German Shepherd (Alsatian)
* Rhodesian Ridgeback
* Rottweiler
* Japanese Akita
* Japanese Tosa

The Council has a duty of care to all its tenants to ensure that they live in a safe environment. The ban on these breeds will be implemented through the Tenancy Agreement thereby including all existing tenants as well as all future tenants.

In the Dublin area since January 2007 there have been ten reported dog attacks on people, three of which were on children the youngest being three years of age. The dogs involved in these attacks were Bull Mastiff, Pit Bull Terriers, Japanese Akita, Rothweilers and German Shepherds. In the first six months of 2007 seventy-three banned dogs were surrendered by their owners and a further one hundred and sixty-nine were picked up as strays.

Given the number of attacks, one can hardly decry thier reaction.

demicav · #22 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 08:17 PM

Please neuter your pets, this is an American film but reflects the problems over here ( upsetting to pet lovers )

Born To Die

Paul mabbott · #23 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 08:20 PM

Interesting that most of the doggy people think you should blame the owner and not the dog - this is logical, to an extent, and I have no problem with that ..... but how do you find the owner of a dog (or many dogs) which is/are problems?
You need to provide an alternative. If people in a neighbourhood are being terrorised by dogs or dogs are producing a health risk then you must have some way of dealing with dogs and owners.
So, when objecting to blanket bans (which seem to me to be a bit excessive) then bring in the suggestion of licensing and tagging. If, as pointed out elsewhere, dogs had to be licensed then their owners could be taken to task but only if you can actually link dog to license to owner ....

demicav · #24 (**permalink**) 20-07-2007, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul mabbott

Interesting that most of the doggy people think you should blame the owner and not the dog - this is logical, to an extent, and I have no problem with that ..... but how do you find the owner of a dog (or many dogs) which is/are problems?
You need to provide an alternative. If people in a neighbourhood are being terrorised by dogs or dogs are producing a health risk then you must have some way of dealing with dogs and owners.
So, when objecting to blanket bans (which seem to me to be a bit excessive) then bring in the suggestion of licensing and tagging. If, as pointed out elsewhere, dogs had to be licensed then their owners could be taken to task but only if you can actually link dog to license to owner ....

I agree that something needs to be done but for once in this country I would like to see the real criminals pay, not innocent people. My dogs are tagged and microchipped and there has been talk of making this compulsary, although I'm not sure it can be enforced. The problem is, people that don't care about breaking the law will still own these dogs and/or walk them around council estates, they won't be affected because they don't respect the law and know that the most they'll get is a slapped wrist. This doesn't make council areas any safer but it will seriously upset those people that do care about the law. Can you honestly see this law being enforced in really rough council estates, where even the police dare to go ? It'll certainly give the druggies and criminals more power though.