Dog Breeds banned from council houses

[Tormentil]

How will "tagging" a dog prevent dogs from attacking people ?

It'll certainly give the druggies and criminals more power though.

What will?? Tagging dogs ?. Is it only dogs that are owned by "druggies and criminals" that attack people? I don't think so.

[galanthus]

I am a defo dog-lover and a hater of the nanny state type scenarios we encounter, however, I'm also a social sector worker and I have to say I have been bitten and chased by several of the above mentioned breeds. If you don't own them and they come running down a smelly, run-down council flat at you when you do calls, I would challenge any one of you to be scared Any other areas I visit, (such as suburban parts of my county), the owners either have them outside or muzzled. The owners are to blame in training the dogs and how they let them/not let them roam, however, if specific areas are notorious for letting them run riot then they should be banned from keeping them there.

[Ukwildlifeo]

I dont personally think the government would dare ban anyone keeping these breeds unless some1 can prove there dangerous, this would be ap point where the nanny state would hit a wall. Could these big dogs be being banned as its possibly cruel for a large dog and neighbours in a multistory flat, houses with no gardens or concrete council estate and in this environment they would be more likely to come into conflict with other and become violent.

And at the risk at appearing un-PC maybe someone has noticed a link between the owner coming from a chav background having the violently trained dogs (its the case down here in essex) and that these chavs are often the inhabitants of these council owned properties. perhaps there trying to stop these people having these dogs. Not saying all council property inhabitants are all bad dog owners, just bad dog owners may often live in these properties. But its not really fair on the good dog owners. Just an idea

[Paul mabbott]

Simple - (a) any untagged animal can be taken away and (b) anyone accompanying an untagged animal can be arrested ... where's the difficulty?

Originally Posted by demicav

I'm not sure it can be enforced. The problem is, people that don't care about breaking the law will still own these dogs and/or walk them around council estates, they won't be affected because they don't respect the law and know that the most they'll get is a slapped wrist. .

[galanthus]

As an addendum to the above post, I've had clients telling me they deliberatly own these dogs to deter debt collectors, utility cut-offs and police officers !

[Paul mabbott]

Originally Posted by mrs fish

I think certain breeds should be should be kept on leads on parks or public places, ............

All dogs should be kept on leads in public places, full stop.

I have my doubts about 'breed' listings (partly because it's difficult to establish which breed is which). I have personally been attacked by six alsatians (at once) being walked by a senior and, clearly, incompetent person. I am very worried in the presence of rottweilers although have had friendly relations with a Dobermann or two. So I have more than mixed opinions about large dogs.

On the other hand, the only time one of my young children was attacked, it was by a golden labrador - again, unrestrained by a stupid, elderly owner who set it upon me when I complained ... I won't go into the subsequent plot but dog ended up toothless!

[Kayleigh]

Tagging of offenders doesn't work so tagging dogs wont work either. Like I said before they need to sort out the bigger problems(drug dealers, petty criminal,dog fighters) not take it out on RESPONSIBLE dog owners. My dog is tagged and micro chipped. I would buy a dog licence but the criminal wont.

If you lived in these council estates where you get terrorised by yobs on drugs every night and the police are nowhere to be seen you too would want to own a large dog or gun for protection the law only protects the criminal not the decent law abider's. The whole criminal justice service is in tatters we have paedophiles walking the streets being let off. Illegal immigrants being bailed for killing a pregnant women in Northants for driving illegally never to be seen again.

Lets just take the whole lot out on poor defenceless dogs.

[warehouseman56]

Originally Posted by Paul mabbott

All dogs should be kept on leads in public places, full stop.

I have my doubts about 'breed' listings (partly because it's difficult to establish which breed is which). I have personally been attacked by six alsatians (at once) being walked by a senior and, clearly, incompetent person. I am very worried in the presence of rottweilers although have had friendly relations with a Dobermann or two. So I have more than mixed opinions about large dogs.

On the other hand, the only time one of my young children was attacked, it was by a golden labrador - again, unrestrained by a stupid, elderly owner who set it upon me when I complained ... I won't go into the subsequent plot but dog ended up toothless!

Hi Paul,
You did well to survive six alsations, I am impressed. It must have been pretty frightening.
Colin

[Paul mabbott]

Luckily I wore my brown trousers and decided not to run! Actually, I don't think I could run ... it was just a matter of fending them off with my trowel and rucksack until the silly old f ....... ool responsible caught up with them. Apart from a few tears and nibbles, no problem but it could have been far worse - for a child, especially ... I didn't go back to that public open space again alone ....

... and it probably put back beetle studies in Stratford by years ...

Originally Posted by warehouseman56

Hi Paul,
You did well to survive six alsations, I am impressed. It must have been pretty frightening.
Colin

[warehouseman56]

I ought to tell ya, Colin is senior, clear and completely incompetent

Max the puppy

I also have had friendly relationships with dobermans, was yours picky?


Dont mind Max. We are on opposite sides on this one. I'll leave you alone.
Colin

[Dan Salter]

Best news i ever heard !

[JoeF]

I am the owner of an Akita / Lurcher cross. Knowing it's parentage I knew it would be a challenge to bring up. It is now a mini wolf like creature with perfect hunting ability and a lust to fight. Potentially he was a vicious attacker but he's become an obedient calm and loving pet who's great with children. He still needs his hours chasing shadows across the fields, and a bit of a wrestle every now and again, but thats fun, not disruption.

All dogs take a certain amount of bringing up, and it's hard work. That work continues through the dogs life as they always look to the owner for direction and reward. Dogs also need, proper excersise stability and routine. Without all these things they become disoriented, agitated and unruly.

And there is the problem;

Brought up in the right environment any dog can become a loving family pet, but if dragged up through the streets, living half the time on its own resources it becomes a danger. Rather than a geographical blanket ban, wouldn't it be better to target the chaotic households with asbos and criminal records in areas where dogs are roaming the streets or causing problems.

Of course a blanket ban is far easier and cheaper to impose.

Joe

[Kymba]

Mine are chipped, trained and controlled.. yes they do want to protect us.. But have been trained to know when it is not acceptable...I have had dogs of various breed since i was a child and the ones that were the most unpridictable was a jack Russel and a dachshound...
So why should I have to get rid of My dogs.... I will go to jail rather then get rid of them if i have to!!!
I agree with Dog Licenses and reckon they should be quite High.. I would willingly pay £20 per dog a year.... if you cant afford that amount then you definately not afford to have a dog... It costs on average ( unless a dog is taken ill and needs a vet) £1000 a year to keep a dog. thats just food, worming, flea treatment, and general care.

[warehouseman56]

Originally Posted by Dan Salter

Best news i ever heard !

Yeah! There is nothing wrong with going into someones home and destroying their pet.

Take Mr Wilson, He's old, lives on his own since his wife died. He shouldn't have that dog. The fact is he will be much better off when we have destroyed it. More Chappie for him. So Sheba has never hurt a fly? So what? She's the breed and you never can tell. Anyway he's poor and we can do what we want.

D'ya think his heart is breaking? "The poor" aren't like us, they gave that up. Anyway Petal, can I buy you a drink?


Hey Max! D'ya want sprinkles on your Master of the Dark Empire.

[warehouseman56]

Well I think Colin is raising a valid point. We have heard that in the city of Dublin there have been ten dog attacks in the last six months. Ethnic cleansing is not very PC.
Just please try and empathise with the animal lovers who now have to see their pet destroyed. It is pretty degrading to have to allow this.

Has anyone seen my ball?

Bess

[Tokay]

you beat me to it , i was gonna post this petition up on here too when i heard about it on another site.
this law is totallly barbaric and disgusting
i signed it straight away and have been posting the link on other forum sites aswell

[jj-harrishawker]

the actions of the dog are down to the owner not the breed of dog so in no meens should they be persicuted.

and some how i very much doubt it will be enforced in my area as the dogs in question are of the main dogs owned and police hardley patrol the area so doubt many will be willing to listen which i can hardly blame them nor would i!

[Kayleigh]

My mum re homed a big white long haired GSD she looked like a wolf. She was the softest dog I ever new. I looked after her while mum went on holiday. I lived in a council house at the time. I was a one parent family with a small child. We got burgled one night while me and my child slept upstairs. They got as far as the living room where the dog slept then the intruders ran off through the back door leaving it open. The dog just sat on the grass waiting until we got up. The dog didn't touch the intruders but bit frightened the hell out of me.

I wish I could have seen the look on their face when they saw Suzie.

[gez]

I work in theatre & see dog bites every single day.
& because of my love of dogs i always ask which breed bit the person. top of the list is labs & collies, there are often bull breeds there but as most of you have already read the banned list which includes English pit bull terrier. of which there is no such breed. & the press very often state pit bull bites child & show a staffy which is a diff breed also, most think there is only one bull breed. As for where the person lives for you to judge them all with the same sweeping brush well enough said about that. but if you think you are safe in ur private houses from a dog biting you. ur very much mistaken. tagging, microchipping etc so what . Does not make you look after a dog any better NO just like paying £600.00 does not either. Every day there are many dog bites i know this for a fact. but most are not from dogs on the irish banned list.
so what to do.... sing the petition, carry on with ur lives, watch out for the car as you cross the road now if that hits you.
And stop tarring all bites with all dogs. also judge the deed not the breed...

[Kayleigh]

Originally Posted by Kymba

Mine are chipped, trained and controlled.. yes they do want to protect us.. But have been trained to know when it is not acceptable...I have had dogs of various breed since i was a child and the ones that were the most unpridictable was a jack Russel and a dachshound...
So why should I have to get rid of My dogs.... I will go to jail rather then get rid of them if i have to!!!
I agree with Dog Licenses and reckon they should be quite High.. I would willingly pay £20 per dog a year.... if you cant afford that amount then you definately not afford to have a dog... It costs on average ( unless a dog is taken ill and needs a vet) £1000 a year to keep a dog. thats just food, worming, flea treatment, and general care.

Looks like you have a volunteer pond digger there Kymba lol

What hole

[Kayleigh]

Originally Posted by gez

I work in theatre & see dog bites every single day.
& because of my love of dogs i always ask which breed bit the person. top of the list is labs & collies, there are often bull breeds there but as most of you have already read the banned list which includes English pit bull terrier. of which there is no such breed. & the press very often state pit bull bites child & show a staffy which is a diff breed also, most think there is only one bull breed. As for where the person lives for you to judge them all with the same sweeping brush well enough said about that. but if you think you are safe in ur private houses from a dog biting you. ur very much mistaken. tagging, microchipping etc so what . Does not make you look after a dog any better NO just like paying £600.00 does not either. Every day there are many dog bites i know this for a fact. but most are not from dogs on the irish banned list.
so what to do.... sing the petition, carry on with ur lives, watch out for the car as you cross the road now if that hits you.
And stop tarring all bites with all dogs. also judge the deed not the breed...

Well said.

[overgrownbramble]

How can this be legal? Have we all grown so used to our civil liberties being eroded that we let this happen?

Say someone bought a dog a few years ago, perfectly legally say a German Shepherd, the dog and the owners have never had a day's trouble in their lives, and it's suddenly OK for their dog to be murdered because they can't afford to move house?

In what hideous land can this ever be allowed?

If this were my girl being threatened with murder I would take it to any European court to fight this rediculous unjust ruling. Sadly though everyone is so anti-dog I don't think justice would every be seen anymore.

The media has alot to answer for, I've known a dog be murdered when it finally bit a kid, who was told to get out of the DOG's garden and leave the dog alone, stop teasing & hurting the dog. Yet the story the press print is savage dog bites innocent child. It's this kind of outrageous lowest denominator media which empowers this kind of murderous law, and it's a very sad thing if we let the people WE put 'in power' do this.

[senua]

Have not had dogs as a pet but I do think that this legislation is very harsh.
I noticed there is quite a lot of signatures on the petition. Hopefully this will persuade the council to change it's mind.