Your opinions please

[Chalk Downlanders]

I am conducting a poll on a number of very different forums to see what forms of hunting are sociable acceptible.

Your votes have been hidden so please feel free to be honest.

Some options you will find revolting but they are still continued in secret.

BOP is bird of prey

Thanks
Chalk

[matt_xyz]

how about a 'none of the above' option?

Matt

[Chalk Downlanders]

Originally Posted by matt_xyz

how about a 'none of the above' option?

Matt

If the mods could put one in that would be great

You are one Please do

[Broclach]

I would be surprised if any one would find dog or cock fighting sociably acceptable. They should be sent to the dark ages where they belong. Having seen the results of dog fighting having ben involved in investigating Badger baiting recently no one who saw the results would find it in anyway acceptable.

[Chalk Downlanders]

Originally Posted by Broclach

I would be surprised if any one would find dog or cock fighting sociably acceptable. They should be sent to the dark ages where they belong. Having seen the results of dog fighting having ben involved in investigating Badger baiting recently no one who saw the results would find it in anyway acceptable.

You will be horified by some of the polls on other forums

[Ukwildlifeo]

I voted just for the Rabbit with BOP. As it happens in nature anyway - buzzards etc. eat Rabbits all the time - and is the only one I could see a need for. The others are either just pointless or cruel aswell

[demicav]

Don't understand why anyone would want to kill song birds, isn't that illegal ? Mind you people take no notice of the law these days. Love Corvids, they've every right to be here, as have all the others on the list with the exception of Mink which need to be controlled for obvious reasons. Dog fighting is just about the most cruel, inhumane action you can inflict upon a dog. If they're lucky, dogs will die an agonising death in the pit. For those that lose but still live they face torture, often being burned to death, beaten to death, there's even been dogs tied to railway lines and left to be hit by a train. So who ever thinks this is acceptible behaviour is evil beyond belief. Dog fighting is against the law for good reason, as is Cock fighting.

[Hindpool]

The spelling mistake is not socially acceptable

[Paul mabbott]

It's not a matter of "socially" acceptable but rather of "personally" acceptable. I feel and think that in some parts of the world and in parts of humans' development hunting for food was and is necessary. Hunting for "fun" which you seem to be discussing is not in the same category.
People who hunt for pleasure are sadists .......... and should be hunted down, trapped and tortured to death .......................

[Paul mabbott]

Incidentally, I always took 'bop' to be the sort of music played by Thelonius Monk and Charlie Parker and 'BOP' to stand for Blessed Oliver Plunkett (as mentioned in the 'Ginger Man' by JP Donleavy - but subsequently canonised, the BOP not JPD).

[demicav]

Originally Posted by Paul mabbott

It's not a matter of "socially" acceptable but rather of "personally" acceptable. I feel and think that in some parts of the world and in parts of humans' development hunting for food was and is necessary. Hunting for "fun" which you seem to be discussing is not in the same category.
People who hunt for pleasure are sadists .......... and should be hunted down, trapped and tortured to death .......................

I agree totally.

[Broclach]

Demicav asked if killing song birds was illegal. It is and despite really good protection they are still killed in their hundreds. Recent years have seen an apparent increase in wildlife crime in general and I know that several people have been charged with finch trapping. How many greenfinches are on your bird feeders? They are apparently worth about £60 a pair on the blackmarket.

[demicav]

Originally Posted by Broclach

Demicav asked if killing song birds was illegal. It is and despite really good protection they are still killed in their hundreds. Recent years have seen an apparent increase in wildlife crime in general and I know that several people have been charged with finch trapping. How many greenfinches are on your bird feeders? They are apparently worth about £60 a pair on the blackmarket.

I'm shocked even though I shouldn't be.

[goosey]

I thought we were supposed to be a civilized nation! After reading the options and knowing some people will actually tick some of these boxes (apart from the bottom one). I don't think we have evolved as much as we like to think we have. They are all disgusting practices and it sickens me to think that they go on.

[nightshade]

None of the above including NOT licensing airguns,the law regarding airguns is very severe
It is an emotive subject but they are not firearms,nor are they misused by the huge majority, Pint-mugs and Baseball Bats are the most frequent offensive weapons and should be banned Miscreants will not have a license anyway, look at knife amnestys (most knives are kitchen knives surrendered by little old ladies) the baddies retain and use their knives

[Chalk Downlanders]

Thank you everone who has contributed to my poll. The results so far are an eye opener. Not quite what I predicted from this forum.

Please continue to use the poll, I would like a good sample of WABbers to make it more accurate.


Thanks
Kev

[Ukwildlifeo]

Originally Posted by Broclach

Demicav asked if killing song birds was illegal. It is and despite really good protection they are still killed in their hundreds. Recent years have seen an apparent increase in wildlife crime in general and I know that several people have been charged with finch trapping. How many greenfinches are on your bird feeders? They are apparently worth about £60 a pair on the blackmarket.

I heard somewhere fruit farmers trap bullfinches. Would explain why ive never seen one in what would be prime habitat in the fruit producing part of Kent....In fact ive never seen one, thou probaly cos here in havering the habitat is wrong

[Kymba]

Originally Posted by Paul mabbott

It's not a matter of "socially" acceptable but rather of "personally" acceptable. I feel and think that in some parts of the world and in parts of humans' development hunting for food was and is necessary. Hunting for "fun" which you seem to be discussing is not in the same category.
People who hunt for pleasure are sadists .......... and should be hunted down, trapped and tortured to death .......................

I Totally agree with you.
I am also quite shocked by some of the votes by WAB members

[Vipera]

sorry, i asked what is BOP but then found the answer at the top of this page

[Dogghound]

This poll is totally mental, i thought people on wild about britain respected animals, some of the votes on there are unreal, if there was an option for Badger baiting i bet someone would vote, Dog fighting? cock fighting? Fox hunting? if there are people with these views on this forum, i will be very reluctant to give away locations of photos & sightings of wildlife in future who know's what they will do

[eeyore]

i find it dificult to belive that we actually have a member who finds dog and cock fighting socially acceptable - perhaps someone misunderstood the poll or clicked the wrong box.

mind you that said i wouldnt give away detailed wildllife locations on the open boards anyway ( particularly for rare bird nests or Badger setts) as the boards are visible to any web user not just members

[Dogghound]

Yeh good point eeyore, perhaps a little care is needed not to say too much. Still abit shocked at this poll

[almostnormal]

Originally Posted by Ukwildlifeo

I voted just for the Rabbit with BOP. As it happens in nature anyway - buzzards etc. eat Rabbits all the time - and is the only one I could see a need for. The others are either just pointless or cruel aswell

also its a cunning way to feed and rehabilitate birds of prey. there's a guy up in scotland who has captive bred BOP and he runs a BOP rehabilitation centre. His BOP's catch the food for the rehabilitating ones. its quite cool, and the birds are all really well looked after.

[Chalk Downlanders]

Well that seems to be it for voting. I would like to give a big THANK YOU to the members and mods for voting and allowing this controversial poll for continuing. Nearly all other forums deleted my poll saying that “it is irrelevant to our members”.
FOOLS!
It just goes to show that Wabbers are the best. Thank you.

There are two points I would like to make:

1) There is always “one” on every forum.

2) Air weapons kill and maim thousands of birds and mammals every year. Even the most powerful can not guarantee a swift kill on Rabbits etc. By licensing them as fire arms, they could remove those under-powered ones and those used by idiots and children.

Your comments are most welcome on the air weapon issue.

Thanks again
Kev

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by Chalk Downlanders

2) Air weapons kill and maim thousands of birds and mammals every year. Even the most powerful can not guarantee a swift kill on Rabbits etc. By licensing them as fire arms, they could remove those under-powered ones and those used by idiots and children.

Your comments are most welcome on the air weapon issue.

Thanks again
Kev

it is not the air weapon that is responsible but the idiot using it - if you remove their ability to buy airguns they will just use something else - a catapult can be built to fire ball bearings with enough force to kill wild animals and birds, or they could use a slingshot , or throw stones , or use petrol , bottles etc etc - I know of one distasteful case where idiots tipped hot treacle over a swan

Licencing them as firearms is not the answer because a) there are plenty of irresponsbile idiots with a fire arms certificate, and b) removing the underpowered ones would deprive thousands of people of a perfectly worthwhile hobby (not everyone shoots at live targets thousands of people derive harmless enjoyment from plinking , or from competing in target shooting)

oh yeah and by the way you are wrong about the "even the most powerful do not guarantee a swift kill on Rabbits" air rifles in the 11 -12ftlb range - ie the most powerful that dont require a FAC will kill a