Unidentified Spiders seen in France

[brianholland]

My wife and I recently returned from a trip to Burgundy where I removed a piece of dead bark from a maple tree and these spiders was under the bark.
I would love to know it's identity please.

I suspect the dark one is wolf type.

Thank you Brian.

[Jason Green]

Bonjour Brian,

Your first is the Walnut Orb-weaver - Nuctenea umbratica and the second looks like an Araneus spp., but little markings don't quite look right for A. diadematus...

Au revoir,

Jason

[brianholland]

Originally Posted by Jason Green

Bonjour Brian,

Your first is the Walnut Orb-weaver - Nuctenea umbratica and the second looks like an Araneus spp., but little markings don't quite look right for A. diadematus...

Au revoir,

Jason

Wow great result and so quick.

Thank you - I have noted the suggestions.

Appreciated.

Brian.

[frits_b]

I think the second spider could very well be an Araneus diadematus. The angular shape of its abdomen points in that direction.
It's a young one, and those are often colored bright orange. The shorter bar of the cross isn't always present, but may appear when the spider matures.

[brianholland]

Originally Posted by frits_b

I think the second spider could very well be an Araneus diadematus. The angular shape of its abdomen points in that direction.
It's a young one, and those are often colored bright orange. The shorter bar of the cross isn't always present, but may appear when the spider matures.

Thanks frits -you certainly know your stuff so it is great to have your contribution.

Brian.