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15-05-2009, 08:45 PM
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You can't tell M mengei and M segmentata apart by colouration, they are too variable. M. |
16-05-2009, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dmclean2  M. Mengei has anulated legs Ken's hasn't
How about E.Ovata ?
Dunc | Sorry to confuse !
It does have some red along the sides, which apparently Enoplognatha ovata does, but I have no idea - is this identifiable down to genus level , if not species?
What am I looking for? What are anulated legs?
Do I need to look for her again?
If so, will an underneath shot do it?
Thanks all, in my spider ignorance,
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16-05-2009, 11:10 AM
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It's not E.ovata - think we had it with Metellina mengei or M.segmentata.
Ken, annulated legs means it has rings of colour on its legs, and I think you're confusing M.mengei with M.merianae
Although its of a similar size Dunc, spine placement is different, especially on legs I
I contacted Ian Dawson about this, who's experience is far greater than mine  ,
His reply below: This is Metellina mengei or segmentata, presumably the former if the photo is recent as mengei is generally mature in spring/early summer, segmentata in late summer/autumn. They are pretty variable in colour, but the shape and pattern are typical. On the shots from above you can also see the characteristic pattern on the head/thorax.
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16-05-2009, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Venger It's not E.ovata - think we had it with Metellina mengei or M.segmentata.
Ken, annulated legs means it has rings of colour on its legs, and I think you're confusing M.mengei with M.merianae
Although its of a similar size Dunc, spine placement is different, especially on legs I
I contacted Ian Dawson about this, who's experience is far greater than mine ,
His reply below: This is Metellina mengei or segmentata, presumably the former if the photo is recent as mengei is generally mature in spring/early summer, segmentata in late summer/autumn. They are pretty variable in colour, but the shape and pattern are typical. On the shots from above you can also see the characteristic pattern on the head/thorax. | Once again, many thanks Venger - annular rings then!
This was spotted only this last week so Metellina Mengei seems most right. 
Cheers everyone, heres to the next one in the greenhouse!
Ken
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