Please ID Big Fat Spiders

[maggot at toad hall]

If anyone really knows their Spiders (unlike me ) then I would gratefully appreciate any feedback on these two.




This was running around the house until it found a suitable hole by the fireplace. Body length 13mm (excluding legs).




Found under a large flat metal water dish in the garden. Spider seemed to be living under a silken web between the paving slab and the dish. Substantial spider, the body was about 8mm wide and 15mm in length.

Many thanks.

[Dogghound]

Amaurobius sp looks quite faded and habitat matches so possibly A. ferox

[maggot at toad hall]

Hi Dogghound,
Do you think they are both the same species or have I misunderstood you?

[maggot at toad hall]

Hi Dogghound,
Perhaps the indoor one might be a male in search of a female? It was found lurking about at midnight.
and the outdoor one a female? The abdomen was huge. Quite the largest bodied spider I've seen.

[Dogghound]

Im not to great with spiders im afraid i was hoping someone would of given a second opinion, but they are both definately Amaurobius sp i was going more by the second photo for species. They look to be the same species, the bottom one is definately a female, the top one looks like a female too.

[demicav]

I agree bottom one Amaurobius species (female).

[No.9 Spider]

I think Dogghound is correct with A. ferox for both specimens.



No.9 Spider

[maggot at toad hall]

Many thanks to everyone for your help.

[Nick1986]

hi from what i can see the spiders that are in that picture are most definately from lace webbed family. The interseting thing about this family of spiders is that when their webs are fresh, it gives off a bluish tinge colour making it possible to identify the spider just from the web.