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07-01-2008, 03:39 PM
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hi im new to toads life ive ony had them 6 month.i was wondering if anyone knew what was wrong with my toad.its front legs arnt working. i dont know the age of the toad. plz help i wouldn t want it to suffer anymore than he needs thanks x |
07-01-2008, 03:42 PM
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erm?...
Is he in your pond or garden?...there is a fungal virus affecting toads in Kent at the minute...
or are we talking about some kind of non native pet toad in a tank/vivarium?...
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07-01-2008, 03:56 PM
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a vavarium. i have 4 altogether. x |
07-01-2008, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by nicki.k  a vavarium. i have 4 altogether. x | What species? Bufo bufo (European) Common Toad? what do you feed them? how often do you clean them? what is the temp in the vavarium?
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07-01-2008, 04:01 PM
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is that legal?
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07-01-2008, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Salter is that legal? | Its only illegal to sell them if they are Common Toads. As far as im aware.
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07-01-2008, 04:08 PM
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So illegal to sell them but not illegal to catch 4 from your garden and put them in a tank?...
is it the same for all the uk amphibians? ( but not Great Crested Newt obviously) ?
P.s..( im not implying nikki is breaking any law as she may well be talking about some pet non native species)
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07-01-2008, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Salter So illegal to sell them but no illegal to catch 4 from your garden and put them in a tank?...
is it the same for all the uk amphibians? ( but not Great Crested Newt obviously) ? | We arnt sure if shes caught them yet or if their even native toads? no different for different species i.e Natterjack Toad, GC Newt. Toads, frogs and the other two newts just illegal to sell.
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07-01-2008, 04:15 PM
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my daughter found them near a road.id say common british. i have a fairly large vavarium. it has a large bathing area and a smaller water area they use as a toilet. i clean that daily it has lots of rock features ie caves and log tunnels.surrounded in wood chip and moss i buy from local pet reptile shop.i clean that every month and half. it has a proper lighting for day but i turn it of at night, that gives of heat.i feed them all live food-crickets grass hoppersand meal worms. i had to stop feeding them normal worms as they were climbing out of the cage. |
07-01-2008, 04:20 PM
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I wouldnt personally advise you keep these amphibians in a vavarium. They are declining nationally and would be better in the wild. Although dont release them for a couple of months. Im unsure exactly what is wrong with them, are the front legs not able to function in all four toads? no physical injury? swelling? bleeding? just lame. I would also advise you clean it out twice a month if not more.
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07-01-2008, 04:24 PM
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Hmm yes..it cant remember the symptoms of this disease affecting uk amphibains...but i dont think it affected legs...maybe it sustained an injury before you captured them if its only one of the 4?...
They would do much better back in the wild but you will have to wait for the warmer weather before release now.
The only option for the sick one is a vet or the rspca?
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07-01-2008, 04:28 PM
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im terribly sorry if it is illegal i never knew. my daughter and myself are big nature and animal lovers. my daughter kept picking them up and fetching them to her dads. it went on 4 months. keeping them in horrible conditions. i couldn t control his choice as we are parted. the only way i could control her choice was to set them free and keep some. under the conditions she doesnt touch them anymore. |
07-01-2008, 04:31 PM
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its only 1 of them. the others are happy hunting every nite. i dont think it injured before ive had them 6 to 8 months |
07-01-2008, 04:36 PM
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If what doghound says is right its not illegal to keep them...its just our personal opinion...
if you can get the sick one fixed and the others are happy and fit then i guess your not doing anything wrong i would just prefer to see them in the wild...although i cant really comment as i was a wildlife mad child and was exactly the same....baby birds... Slow Worms...frogs...snakes....newts...tadpoles...was very naive back then but it helped me learn a great deal about nature.
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07-01-2008, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by nicki.k my daughter found them near a road.id say common british. i have a fairly large vavarium. it has a large bathing area and a smaller water area they use as a toilet. i clean that daily it has lots of rock features ie caves and log tunnels.surrounded in wood chip and moss i buy from local pet reptile shop.i clean that every month and half. it has a proper lighting for day but i turn it of at night, that gives of heat.i feed them all live food-crickets grass hoppersand meal worms. i had to stop feeding them normal worms as they were climbing out of the cage. | Are you crushing the heads of the meal worms. I have herd horror stories of the worms eating their way out from inside as they have strong jaws.
You could take the toad to a vet or get advice from a wildlife hospital as to what could be wrong with him. There is also froglife you could google. They may be able to help. |
07-01-2008, 08:56 PM
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w o w. no i dont crush their heads.but the toads wont eat anything dead ive tried. does anyone know where the nearest wildlife centre would be in south yorkshire . |
07-01-2008, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Kayleigh Are you crushing the heads of the meal worms. I have herd horror stories of the worms eating their way out from inside as they have strong jaws.
| Im unsure this is true. Toads eat insects with more powerful jaws than meal worm larvae.
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07-01-2008, 09:19 PM
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http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/fo...e-centres.html
you may fine help here.
I saw warnings about meal worms on a site that sold them for birds and reptiles, as live food. I don't think its a problem for birds as they tend to crush them in their beaks when eaten. |
07-01-2008, 09:24 PM
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thanks everyone you ve been really helpful ive looked and selby is my my nearest im gonna nip tomorrow. does anywhere on this site give any info on turtles? |
07-01-2008, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by nicki.k does anywhere on this site give any info on turtles? | What species? and what sort of advice?
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07-01-2008, 11:51 PM
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Im going to presume you mean terrapins? and dont tell me your daughter found these by the side of the road as well? ha ha
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08-01-2008, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan Salter So illegal to sell them but not illegal to catch 4 from your garden and put them in a tank?...
is it the same for all the uk amphibians? ( but not Great Crested Newt obviously) ?
P.s..( im not implying nikki is breaking any law as she may well be talking about some pet non native species) |
Your right about the GCN. They are illegal to Catch, Possess, Handle or Disturb without a licence. |
08-01-2008, 10:39 AM
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I seem to remember for all captive amphibians of most species you can suffer big problems with fungal diseases and bacterial infections since the animals are kept in the warm damp conditions that benefit so many pathogens not sure what to suggest except a simpler tank set up and more regular cleaning and release in a couple of months 
Dan, the legislative protection varies hugely between the various species with the Common Toad and frog having the least protection and the natterjack and GCN having the strongest.... |
08-01-2008, 11:12 AM
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Dan, the legislative protection varies hugely between the various species with the Common Toad and frog having the least protection and the natterjack and GCN having the strongest.... | I presonally feel that our Amphibians are under protected. Species like frogs, toads and the other two newt species (smooth & palmate) need more protection.
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08-01-2008, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Dogghound I presonally feel that our Amphibians are under protected. Species like frogs, toads and the other two newt species (smooth & palmate) need more protection. | yes absolutely I agree, the other two newts at least get additional protection from the Bern Convention which prevents 'mass indiscriminate killing' This protection can sometimes be utilised if a population is to be seriously affected by the removal of a pond (if it is the only one in the area) or a series of ponds.
(On a side note I was shocked at the lack of protection for Harvest Mice!!) | | | |
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