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Top Poster: glsammy (14,775) | | Welcome to our newest member, yvonnem | |  | | 
07-06-2009, 11:10 AM
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| | | Re: New, easy to use stacking software Btw - if you're planning to give ZS a try take a quick look at this one-page "Getting Started" tutorial. I found it quite helpful.
Bruce | 
07-06-2009, 07:44 PM
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| | | Re: New, easy to use stacking software Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Williams I thought some of you might be interested to hear about my recent experience using a fairly new (and FREE) image stacking program called Zerene Stacker (ZS).
I've been using image stacking software for about 3 years now (mainly using CombineZP and earlier releases). I use it to stack images taken through my stereo microscope and when shooting close-up and macro on the bench (mostly finely detailed fossils) and in the field (insects and spiders).
About 6 weeks ago I was contacted by the developer (Rik Littlefield) suggesting I might like to try out ZS. He was particularly interested to see how the product worked out in the field where alignment of the individual frames would typically not be as precise. Rik calls the process of shooting and stacking hand-held images in the field "Wild Stacking". An appropriate and quite fun term for it I think  .
I know that several WAB members are experienced "stackers" however for the benefit of readers that may not be familiar with technique here's a brief explanation of the what and why of Image Stacking:
A major problem with macro photography is that at high magnification the depth of field becomes very shallow. In practical terms this means that at typical macro lens magnification of 1:1 only a part of even a very small subject will be sharply in focus. Take a look at the following four images of a barklouse that measured ~3.5mm long (when viewed side-on). You can clearly see that only a part of each image is sharply in focus.
Stacking software compares (in this instance) the four images. First it aligns each image and then combines the sharpest (most in focus) bits from each of the four images to produce a single stacked (highly detailed) image. This is the result of stacking the above 4 images using ZS:
You can stack any number of images from just 2 to well over 100 (table top macro). Typically I take between 2 and 6 images when stacking in the field (wild stacking). By way of comparison I generally take between 40 and 50 frames when shooting a 3mm deep fossil slab through my Mieji stereo microscope.
Continued.....see next entry (forum would not accept as a single post?)
Bruce  | Brilliant shot Bruce! what lens do you use for Macro? I have a Canon 1Dmk2 and plenty big lenses but fancy getting a macro
Cheers
Brian | 
07-06-2009, 08:31 PM
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| | | Re: New, easy to use stacking software Thanks Brian  .
I use a Nikon 105mm VR Macro lens on a Nikon D300 so unfortunately not an option for your 1D MkII. However I know a lot of members use Sigma lenses and have been very pleased with their results.
The main consideration is probably which focal length to opt for. With Sigma the options are (I believe) 70mm, 105mm, 150mm or 180mm. They all offer ~1:1 magnification so probably the most important difference is working distance and cost. Essentially the longer the focal length the greater the working distance (an advantage with skittish insects). On the other hand the longer focal length lenses are heavier and they cost considerably more.
Your 1D MkII sensor is full frame so will influence the compatibility and performance of a macro lens with DX coverage. Maybe it would be worthwhile geting recommendations and info by posting a new forum thread.
There was a recent forum thread asking for recommendations for a macro lens that you might find interesting: what macro lens??
Bruce
Last edited by Bruce Williams; 07-06-2009 at 08:39 PM.
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08-06-2009, 10:34 PM
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| | | Re: New, easy to use stacking software Hi,
thanks for the info Bruce. Your results look great.It's something I've never tried so I've downloaded the software and look forward to having a play
neil | 
09-06-2009, 12:08 AM
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| | | Re: New, easy to use stacking software Thanks Neil - I'm sure you'll be pleased with the results.
You might be interested to see this 4 image stack of a Harlequin Ladybird nymph I did using Zerene Stacker today:
Bruce
ps -  I forgot to include the promised link to the ZS "How to Use" web page mentioned in an earlier post of mine: Zerene Stacker -- How to Use It | 
09-06-2009, 08:58 AM
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| | | Re: New, easy to use stacking software Thanks for the info and examples Bruce.
I don't own a macro lense, instead I use a set of extension tubes and this is one of my biggest frustrations, so thank you for showing a possible solution to the problem.
Ed | 
09-06-2009, 03:51 PM
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| | | Re: New, easy to use stacking software larva, not nymph, Bruce
i've downloaded it, and it is very good! unfortunately, alot of subjects don't stay still enough to take images for stacking
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09-06-2009, 05:43 PM
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| | | Re: New, easy to use stacking software Thanks Ed.
I hope stacking proves helpful to you. It does take a bit of experimentation to work out an appropriate step size (movement between each frame). It's important not to allow too large a step else you'll end up with out-of-focus bands at various depths through the image.
Adam,
You're dead right there Adam  . However fortunately quite a few do and sooner or later even one of the most skittish species will hold still long enough for you to take the 2 to 6 shots necessary to get your stack. I'm repeating myself here, but that's why I always start with the nearest (most interesting) part of the subject, as even if you only get the first shot off before the subject moves or disappears it's often worth keeping - and the odds of getting a keeper improve with each focus step.
I frequently plan for 4 shots but only get 2 or 3 before my subject moves. More often than not even 2 frames are worth stacking and you get more dof than with the single shot. I reckon it takes me about 5 secs to recompose for each frame so with 4 frames that's 15 secs that the subject needs to stay still from the moment I fire the first shot.
Another advantage of stacking is that you can afford to use a slightly wider aperture. While this means shallower dof per frame it generally means better IQ as there is less softness due to the diffraction limitation effect. With my D300 + Nikon 105mm Macro lens I usually shoot single images (no plans to stack) at an effective aperture of f/16 - f/18 whereas when I shoot stacking frames I set the aperture between f/11 - f/14.
Bruce | 
09-06-2009, 07:19 PM
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| | | Re: New, easy to use stacking software i can't go any smaller than F/11, and to get that i have to use full manual, because, for some reason, aperture priority only lets me down to F/8
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09-06-2009, 07:40 PM
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| | | Re: New, easy to use stacking software Some helpful info here Bruce, thanks.
I've used the Combine software before, but not recently. I struggle trying to stack images taken with my MP-e65mm, simply because the lens doesn't focus! The only way you can focus with that lens is to move the lens either closer or further from the subject, which makes stacking very difficult. If anyone has used that lens and has successfully stacked images, I'd be very pleased to hear how you managed it. 
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