National Trust: photography persecution

[stonflo]

What part of Photography Techniques is a discussion about National Trust attitudes especially one that has been covered by other sites and finished a while ago.
Stonflo

[Lancashire Lad]

Originally Posted by stonflo

What part of Photography Techniques is a discussion about National Trust attitudes especially one that has been covered by other sites and finished a while ago.
Stonflo

The thread was posted in this forum, as the original poster was keen to bring it to attention, and was not sure where to post - as you would be aware if you had read that initial post.

Originally Posted by Roy_Nikon

...I'm not sure where this thread should really appear, or indeed whether the topic has cropped up elsewhere as I'm new to this site....

The entirety of the thread has been conducted very amicably, even though people have had differing opinions. As I mentioned before, if you have a particular problem with this thread, just don't read it.

Others may still wish to contribute further.

Regards
Mike.

[PMG]

Originally Posted by stonflo

I'm going to carry on taking photographs on NT "property" until such time as the law stops me and as the photograph copyright belongs to me I'll wait till I'm taken to court. Noe can we change the subject please.
stonflo

Good for you thats the spirit! But the fact is, due to this thread, site and certain members hard work here (and on other sites too) you won't be taken to court

Pauline

[stonflo]

NT would not have taken me to court anyway. I have read this long winded discussion which appears to have had a reply from the NT but it appears that some people are never satisfied with responses. The NT are not going to change their conditions to encompass an unlimited time scale so why not accept it for now and shout when the conditions change alternatively if you are not satisfied with the response why not vote with your feet and walk away as has been suggested.
stonfl

[Embroiderer]

I have a question that is not strictly related to photographs of National Trust properties, but I wonder what the legal stand is: I design embroideries and am planning to sell kits/charts of my own designs of national trust houses/castles. Would I need some sort of permission to do that? Or does it come under 'artistic licence'??

[Red Robin]

Originally Posted by sidewalkdoctor

I applied for an advertised job with the NT as a "Volunteer Photographer" which meant that I would get a free pass to ANY of their properties as well as a car parking permit & a fleece(!). I fulfilled the criteria for taking & processing photographs & could get away from work if needed in a hurry (remember this is on the IOW) & so got the job.

Upon reading that I was expected to hand over _all_ rights of my pix, I told the poor sod who offered me the job what they could do with both it and the clause in the contract.

....I'm sorry to say that this reminds me of this thread (now locked ): http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/fo...nd-rights.html

I agree with everyone that the NT is shooting itself in the foot - Not the act of a good gamekeeper! I'm not a member and have not been inclined to be one - I certainly never will be a member if this is their attitude.

I can understand the NT's wish to financially take a share of commercial photography of their assets but to restrict publishing images on web sites such as WAB is counter productive and I think outrageous. They seem to be behaving as if their land was a militarily sensitive airfield! I have had occasion to visit USAF bases in the UK and some are extremely security sensitive but I was allowed to take photographs. However, that was pre 11/11.

The NT could instead do what some of the Indians do on rez in the U S of A - It's their land and not subject to state law etc and they insist you simply buy a photography permit which costs around 10 dollars.

P.S.- Having now read more of this thread: Awesome research, Dave P!! R-E-S-P-E-C-T!

[Red Robin]

Originally Posted by Embroiderer

I have a question that is not strictly related to photographs of National Trust properties, but I wonder what the legal stand is: I design embroideries and am planning to sell kits/charts of my own designs of national trust houses/castles. Would I need some sort of permission to do that? Or does it come under 'artistic licence'??

....An interesting question and one which could also apply to other works of art media such as painting.

Hey, Mr Constable! You now owe the National Trust a zillion squid plus interest!

[JaySteel]

I had a couple of deer shots that I took at knole Park in Sevenoaks which were on the Alamy stock photography site.

When I heard about the NT policy a couple of years ago I emailed the NT and asked for their permission to use my images for commercial use. They replied and told me that half of Knole Park was privately owned and because they couldn't tell which part of Knole Park my images were taken in I would need to contact the private owners for permission. I then contacted the family that own the rest of the site and they said that they had no problem with me using my images for commercial use.
A few months later Alamy contacted me and said that they had removed my images form their stock because the NT had complained about them! I sent copies of my emails to Alamy from both the NT and the private owners of the site. Alamy said that they would investigate my case and I never heard from them again. I haven't uploaded anything to the Alamy site since because I can't be bothered with the hassle.

Best regards,
Jason

[nigel_b]

This is very unwelcome news, but the real sting in the tail for the NT? I don't want them to inherit one more square inch of land ever again. Just about everywhere you set foot around here thats half way decent for wildlife and photography (Purbecks) is NT land.

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by nigel_b

This is very unwelcome news, but the real sting in the tail for the NT? I don't want them to inherit one more square inch of land ever again. Just about everywhere you set foot around here thats half way decent for wildlife and photography (Purbecks) is NT land.

and on that land you are totally unaffected as the Nt made clear that they were not talking about applying this to their open countryside.

Also this is a very old thread , and there hasnt been the massive issue that people feared or indeed the backlash against the Trust.

If anyone does need clarification I'd suggest they right to the HQ at Heelis , Swindon and get the straight info rather than the speculation

(incidentally many people on here will know that I (now) work for the Trust, but i'd make clear that everything I say on wab is my purely own opinion , not that of my employer, and also that I wasnt working for the Trust when this topic originally came up, so the comments further up the thread were also purely personal opinion)

I'm also not going to get drawn into an argument about the rights and wrongs of the policy or indeed make any further comment on this thread)

oh yeah and incidentally if you do want to avoid NT land for photographic purposes in the purbeck area (not that you need to) there is also Arne and Arne Grange (rspb), Wareham Forest (FC), Holton and Holt heaths (NE) and various downland sites owned by DWT