Full frame Canon recommendation

[turkeyneck]

Ok my head seems to be exploding at the moment so thought I'd ask for some help. I'm thinking about getting a secondhand full frame sensor Canon DSLR for landscapes, only having my 7D and G11 I'm not keen on all this stitching I've been doing. It will take me a few weeks maybe months before I'll have succeeded in sweet talking the missus round for the 'need' of another peice of equipment (still paying the 7D off).
Ideally then it'd have to be (in this order)

Canon
Full frame sensor
Secondhand
Cheap (yeh I know, you pay for what you get)
Image quality (obviously! 10 meg pix +?)
Good in low light/High ISO's
Armour plated (just in case I don't manage the sweet talking that well)

Any recomendations greatly recieved

[bripriuk]

Hi

Forget full frame, get a Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM Lens - a superb piece of kit, will be fantastic for landscapes with the 7D.

Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM Lens: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics

Brian Price

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by turkeyneck

Ok my head seems to be exploding at the moment so thought I'd ask for some help. I'm thinking about getting a secondhand full frame sensor Canon DSLR for landscapes, only having my 7D and G11 I'm not keen on all this stitching I've been doing. It will take me a few weeks maybe months before I'll have succeeded in sweet talking the missus round for the 'need' of another peice of equipment (still paying the 7D off).
Ideally then it'd have to be (in this order)

Canon
Full frame sensor
Secondhand
Cheap (yeh I know, you pay for what you get)
Image quality (obviously! 10 meg pix +?)
Good in low light/High ISO's
Armour plated (just in case I don't manage the sweet talking that well)

Any recomendations greatly recieved

I dont think you can have all of those - good in low light and second hand and cheap dont tend to go together too well

cheapest is the 5D classic and 1DSmk1 usually about £500-£800 depending on how many shutter activations and age

then you have the newer 5Dmk2 and 1DSMk2 or 3

at thats it - there arent any other full frame cameras in the canon range (although the 1D series is a wider 1.3 crop and proffesional standard bodies tho mk1 is 4mp, and mk2 8mp)

[The_Moaner]

Hi Tony

1Dmk2 is only best un for Landscapes if you want to do stiching.
BUT! Another 7D or 50D or even 60D is just as good. Make sure you buy/use the right lens for the job.
My Sigma 17-70mm f2.8 f4 is Excellent. I can't fault it for Landscapes or Portraits..But a wider angle of maybe f2.8 might be better. 10-20 or 12-24.

Like you I'm looking for another second hand 50D for my Macro only.
Hope you get what you looking for.
see you down WWT one day.
regards
Dennis

[turkeyneck]

Originally Posted by The_Moaner

Hi Tony

1Dmk2 is only best un for Landscapes if you want to do stiching.
BUT! Another 7D or 50D or even 60D is just as good. Make sure you buy/use the right lens for the job.
My Sigma 17-70mm f2.8 f4 is Excellent. I can't fault it for Landscapes or Portraits..But a wider angle of maybe f2.8 might be better. 10-20 or 12-24.

Like you I'm looking for another second hand 50D for my Macro only.
Hope you get what you looking for.
see you down WWT one day.
regards
Dennis

I've seen some nice landscapes with the 50D but I suppose this could get quite expensive as I'll still have to get a wide-angle lens to go with it, only having macro and 150-500mm. With the reduced options I have finacially at present, I guess I'm better waiting, get the lens as bripriuk and you have mentioned then worry about a body at a later stage and go with my 7D. It's a plan Jan
Cheers Dennis and hope to catch you down the Wetlands with the rest of the boys and our own honarary boy, Nicola. (she might kill me for that).
Best wishes
Lee

[eeyore]

Originally Posted by The_Moaner

Hi Tony

1Dmk2 is only best un for Landscapes if you want to do stiching.

its hard to see how a 1.3 crop 8mp dslr is best for landscape stichting or not - did you mean 1dsmk2

[PMG]

Lee - have a look at my landscapes and if you think they are ok and what you would like to do then get a Sigma 10-20 wide angle and bung it on the 7D and its job done - plenty pixels - the crop factor means that the view doesn't disappear over the horizon leaving all foreground (as used to happen with a wide angle on the old Pentax K1000 slide film)

I've never used a full frame camera so I can't comment on what views will look like - I do know the clarity of them is just out of this world and one day I might justify having one - but its unlikely as I'm at the bitter end of what I can carry now and would never leave any kit in the car or camper ......

Pauline

[The_Moaner]

I bungled---5Dmk2 or 1dsMk2 I meant to say.
Thanks eeyore for correcting me.

Save up for the lens first Tony as the 7D is pretty Good as Pauline has said.
I use my 7D for everything at moment.
With me, I need a dedicated camera for macro so I don't have to ever change the lens. I'm lazy
Take Care.

[turkeyneck]

Originally Posted by PMG

Lee - have a look at my landscapes and if you think they are ok and what you would like to do then get a Sigma 10-20 wide angle and bung it on the 7D and its job done - plenty pixels - the crop factor means that the view doesn't disappear over the horizon leaving all foreground (as used to happen with a wide angle on the old Pentax K1000 slide film)

I've never used a full frame camera so I can't comment on what views will look like - I do know the clarity of them is just out of this world and one day I might justify having one - but its unlikely as I'm at the bitter end of what I can carry now and would never leave any kit in the car or camper ......

Pauline

Just had a browse through your Zen and WAB Gallery and they look great to me, especially like the Slaidburn Church image, oh and the ones of Wast water. Nice to see what the S95 can produce also, as I notice you have one of these too, you two have shares in Canon or something?

Yep I reckon that's the way to go, sigma 10-20mm on the 7D (I WILL own an actual Canon lens one day). A Sigma has just gone on ebay for less than two hundred notes. Birthday's a fast approaching, so I'll be asking for sponderoonies to go towards a secondhand lens I reckon.

Hey Dennis, it's LEE not TONY, I don't know how you make the mistake as he can't hold a candle to me in the good looks stakes (I'm safe, I don't think he's a WAB member)

[PMG]

Originally Posted by turkeyneck

Just had a browse through your Zen and WAB Gallery and they look great to me, especially like the Slaidburn Church image, oh and the ones of Wast water. Nice to see what the S95 can produce also, as I notice you have one of these too, you two have shares in Canon or something?

Yep I reckon that's the way to go, sigma 10-20mm on the 7D (I WILL own an actual Canon lens one day). A Sigma has just gone on ebay for less than two hundred notes. Birthday's a fast approaching, so I'll be asking for sponderoonies to go towards a secondhand lens I reckon.

Hey Dennis, it's LEE not TONY, I don't know how you make the mistake as he can't hold a candle to me in the good looks stakes (I'm safe, I don't think he's a WAB member)

No - no shares - not even an acknowledgement from Canon for loyalty Actually the S95 I now regret as despite reading a lot of reviews and comparisons its not as good as other makes - in fact I'm annoyed I bought it. I should have got the lumix (I think? Its hazy now without looking it all up again - but I do wish I didn't have the powershot).

I wouldn't worry too much about canon lenses - sigma is just as good in the wide angle stakes - well to my eye anyway and I'm pretty critical For panoramas I still may use the standard lens and stitch two or three shots together - its fiddly but ok for certain things sometimes. Then with the 10-20 certain subjects lend themselves to a panorama-type crop which looks like a long shot but in fact isn't but fools the eye!

Pauline