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Old 29-08-2007, 06:26 PM
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In flight Kingfisher shots

Hi all I know there are some increible photographers amongst this group so I need some advice on photographing kingfishers in flight. I know this is a very challenging subject but wondered if I could get some advice. The main thing i am stuck with is how to follow the bird as they fly very fast along the water? I know I will need a very low aperture thus a very high shutter speed but if this could be elaborated on that would be great e.g shutter speed around 1/2000 etc. Thanks guys
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Old 29-08-2007, 08:51 PM
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Re: In flight Kingfisher shots

jeff h would be your man for kingfisher advice - his thread on them is incredible.

until he comes on the scene , my general advice (admittedly i've never photographed kingfishers but have done a lot of work with puffins and gannets which are comparably fast) would be to switch your focus mode to AF servo assuming your camera has it , switch the drive mode to burst , and turn your iso up to 400 , or even 800 to boost the shutter speed, put the mode in apperture priority and set a wide apperture such as f5.6 to both maximise shutter speed and blur the background.

then try and track the bird in the frame (this is the hard bit as they move like bullets) with the shutter button half down to give the Af time to lock on and fire short bursts of three or four shots panning with the bird as you fire. Also try and lead the bird slightly so it is flying into the frame rather than out of it.

you will have a better chance of tracking the bird if you find a regular perch or feeding spot and track them as they fly towards it. If you can get your hands on a copy of andy rouses "life in the wild, a photographers year" and/or Chris Gomersals "photographing wild birds" they give much more indepth advice than we can here.

you might also be well advised to go to a falconry display or similar and practice your track and pan technique on more predictable and larger birds rather than breaking straight in on the kingfishers
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Old 29-08-2007, 09:21 PM
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Re: In flight Kingfisher shots

Can't add anymore than eeyore has already said really. Obviously a fast lens will help as well plus a camera capable of taking quite a few frames per second. Not sure but I think my 400D is capable of three frames per second, but I know some of the DSLR's are capable of more than this which would give you a better chance of getting the shot you are after.
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Can't add anymore than eeyore has already said really. Obviously a fast lens will help as well plus a camera capable of taking quite a few frames per second. Not sure but I think my 400D is capable of three frames per second, but I know some of the DSLR's are capable of more than this which would give you a better chance of getting the shot you are after.
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Not fo me it didn't! The 20D does 5fps, and my Kingfisher in flight efforts all were hopeless.. Just too small and fast moving for me...Just Like Swallows, House Martins to name two of many!
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Old 30-08-2007, 07:59 AM
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Re: In flight Kingfisher shots

yep k/fishers are too fast to track accurately which makes it hard to get the AF to lock on (like puffins) - a 1series DSLR improves your chances as the AF is better than in the cheaper ones but it is still only a sometime thing. When i was doing diving gannets i gave upon the DSLR (at the time i had only a s/h 10D) and resorted to the EOS3 which has the best non pro series focusing that canon have ever built - very expensive in film tho as i ripped off a roll on each dive.

If i could chose any camera to use for this kind of thing it would probably be the 1D mk3 with 8.5fps and very fast AF servo, andy rouse used one of these to photograph a diving peregrine spo they must be capable.

the other consideration is the lens - as well as being fast in terms of light as ollie mentioned, you also need fast focussing which means USM (in canon terms, sigma call it HSM and Nikon something else again)

from what i have read most wildlife photographers have success by finding or creating a perch or photographing near the nest (tho the later obviously requires a licence from NE) as this helps predict where the bird is going to fly.
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Old 30-08-2007, 08:18 AM
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Re: In flight Kingfisher shots

the vast majority of in-flight Kingfisher shots that I have seen are either of a hovering kingfisher or of a diving Kingfisher entering (or about to enter) the water.

The latter are normally achieved by creating a small shallow area of water with lots of small fish in it (I've seen examples where some netting was used to basically 'fence off' an area of river. The camera is then pre-focussed at certain likely entry points and with a lot of trial and error you might strike lucky.

Hovering kingfishers are obviously far easier to photograph than a kingfisher in full flight and you would use continuous AF and the other tips mentioned above.

A kingfisher in full flight must be extremely difficult, not least because the natural environment of the Kingfisher would tend to prevent you from seeing it coming with much advance warning. Kev Lewis is your man for Kingfisher shots, particularly in-flight ones, although he doesn't seem to have been around much lately.

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Old 30-08-2007, 11:42 AM
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Re: In flight Kingfisher shots

Thanks very much guys. I have a perch that I know is used very regularly ( around every half hour) by my local Kingfishers and they nearly always call before they arrive in the area so I have a warning even though it is very shortly before they arrive. The panning as you say is the hard bit and the bit i will have to practice ( maybe swallows around the house? ) but kingfishers fly through the area i sit very often so that increases my chances. Thanks for the advice and I wil let you know how i get on
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Old 30-08-2007, 12:17 PM
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Re: In flight Kingfisher shots

one other tip i just thought of is to keep both eyes open while you look through the view finder with one - this feels weird at first but it does enable you to see things that are ouitside of the cameras view and thus gives you a better chance of panning just ahead of the k/f as you start your turn so that it catches up and flies into the frame.
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Re: In flight Kingfisher shots

I agree with what has been said in terms of fast cameras, lenses and panning. To stand any realistic chance I think you need to try to control the eventualities as it were.

If possible I would attempt to regularly bait an area and determine which direction the kingfishers come from. Then over a period of time you will understand the flight path. The next thing would be to place a hide in an optimal position for you to follow the birds and photograph them. I would also consider setting the lens to manual and set on a prefocussed point that the birds fly past and if the birds do fly with any element of consistency you may increase your opportunities by not relying on AF. Whichever way I think it will prove very difficult and would probably mean that in the end you may need to use high speed flash. I have seen Andy Rouse's kingfisher shots and I think it would be very difficult to match them by conventional means! Hovering is one thing but in a flight path - I would probably think it would be nigh on impossible.
I have a local pond and I can sit at the edge and swallows and swifts come flying by about 20 - 30 feet away.. Their flight paths can be forecasted to some extent and I have used AF and manual focussing and just fixed focussing.......... I haven't got a shot that is worth keeping, but hey good luck!

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Re: In flight Kingfisher shots

I apologise for joining in so late on this thread but, as some of you will know, I’ve only recently come back to WAB after a 5 month absence and I’ve been trawling through some of the threads I missed during that time looking for those of interest (to me).

Needless to say, this one is and on the assumption that the topic is still of general interest here are some of my own observations based on my albeit limited experience of trying to capture good images of Kingfishers in flight.

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jeff h would be your man for kingfisher advice - his thread on them is incredible.
Incidentally, I’m flattered by Pete’s (Eeyore’s) kind words about my ‘Kingfisher Diary (with photos)’ thread – thanks Pete. Sadly however, and not wishing to sound too immodest, whilst it’s probably true to say that I now know more than most about the behaviour of Kingfishers, I’m afraid this knowledge hasn’t yet transferred into being able to get good in-flight shots of them - despite the many and often frustrating hours I’ve spent in trying to do so

As others have said, the conventional technique for in-flight shots is panning/tracking the bird and whilst I’ve had some good results in using this method with large/slower/high-flying birds (such as Swans, Geese, Buzzards, Kites, Barn Owls, etc), trying to capture shots of small/fast/low-flying birds in this way is much more difficult. Forgive me for stating the obvious, but locating and tracking a largish bird against a background of the sky is always going to be easier than trying to do the same with a smallish bird against a dark, variable background.

Let’s not forget that Kingfishers are much smaller birds than most people realise – being only a little larger than a sparrow - and it’s been calculated that they typically fly at the rate of about 12 metres per second (David Boag – ‘The Kingfisher’ – 1982). It’s the combined effect of these two factors that makes it, in my experience, almost impossible to ‘lock on’ the bird in direct flight. This is no doubt (and as Matt says) why most published Kingfisher flight shots show the bird hovering or diving and in all my researches I’ve only seen a handful of good quality images of a Kingfisher in full flight.

And even if you do manage to ‘lock on’ the bird, as Eeyore has said and despite Canon’s claims about the ability of its AF Servo autofocus to track fast moving objects, I’ve found that my EOS 30D simply isn’t up to the job. It can cope quite well with things like racing cars, but a Kingfisher in flight is simply too small and fast for it (so it’s not just you Graham )

So, after literally hundreds of failed attempts using the panning/tracking method I resorted to the technique mentioned by Jon – manually focussing on a pre-set point and waiting for the bird to pass through it. During the time that our local breeding pair were feeding at the nest they were making dozens of visits each day but generally followed one of only 2 or 3 flight paths on their approach. After a while I had a pretty good idea of the precise route of one such flightpath and I positioned my hide and selected a focus point on that flightpath such that as the bird passed through my field of view it remained on the same plane.

Earlier attempts had taught me that a shutter speed of at least 1/1250th is required to freeze the flight action of a Kingfisher and although I was content to set whatever aperture/ISO settings would let me achieve that, rarely was the light good enough and my lens fast enough to give me the best of all worlds and so I usually had to compromise on one or other of the settings.

There was then the dilemma of selecting the optimum focus distance – too short a focal length and the bird is simply too far away resulting in a very small image. Too long and the viewing/frame area becomes too small with the risk that even with my 30D firing at 5 frames per second I’d actually miss the bird. Remember, that these birds are travelling at about 12 metres per second, so that even with a focal area as large as only 2 metres across the bird will pass through it in 1/6th of a second!

After much trial and error (and may I just say that I really appreciated the flexibility of my Canon 100 – 400 IS lens here), I settled on a focal length of about 135mm with the bird passing by at a distance of about 5 metres. Thankfully, the birds usually gave out a call as they made their approach and as soon as one came into view I started firing off shots at 5 frames per second.

It was by using this method that I got my best shots to date but, to be honest, the results have been quite poor (and certainly not good enough for posting on WAB’s Gallery or even in my ‘Kingfisher Diary (with photos)’ forum thread, apart from the last one) and this is one area of photographing Kingfishers that I intend to concentrate more on next year.

Anyway, here’s few examples of the results I achieved – you’ll probably look at them and think (like I do now) all that time and effort for such poor results














and my best effort yet -


Finally, since starting work on this post I've realised that vinnychameleon (who started the thread) doesn't seem to have been around on WAB for some time, his last forum post being back in early September. I hope all's well with you VC and look forward to seeing back on WAB with your infectious enthusiasm for alll things wild

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