A couple of ferns for ID please

[Elean0r]

I think I know what these are, but I thought I'd make sure by asking here first.

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Once identified we're going to try to buy some.

[Johnny Redgate]

I'll have a go:
1 Broad Buckler-fern Dryopteris dilatata
2 Hard Fern Blechnum spicant

[Johnny Redgate]

Hang on.
2 is Hard Fern in the background but is that one of the Polypodys in the foreground?

[aeshna5]

Originally Posted by Johnny Redgate

Hang on.
2 is Hard Fern in the background but is that one of the Polypodys in the foreground?

Yes, I'm with you on that!

[RobSutton]

Originally Posted by Johnny Redgate

Hang on.
2 is Hard Fern in the background but is that one of the Polypodys in the foreground?

By the foreground do you mean those on the right hand side of the stream? I think the way the pinules taper towards the base of the frond is much more like Hard Fern rather than one of the Polypodys. With a polypody I always think of a bare stretch of stem at the base with the first pinnae being larger (and often backward pointing) than the ones on these. I think they may be just the non-reproductive fronds of Hard Fern.

[Tiggrx]

I can't see any Polypody in the 2nd picture either - I think it is all Hard Fern

[Johnny Redgate]

It would be a lot easier if i was standing next to it

[Jason Claxton]

1 Agree on Buckler Fern,but how do you know it isn't D.carthusiana ,I'd look at the scales,if I could see them of course.
2 Hard fern Blechnum spicant both sides of the bank to me.

Easier in the field, for sure ,Johnny

Jason.

[Johnny Redgate]

Originally Posted by Jason Claxton

1 Agree on Buckler Fern,but how do you know it isn't D.carthusiana ,I'd look at the scales,if I could see them of course.
2 Hard fern Blechnum spicant both sides of the bank to me.

Easier in the field, for sure ,Johnny

Jason.

1. Bit of a guess on dilatata partly on habitat (not in a bog/marsh)
2. You're probably all right on Hard Fern - just thought the pinnae looked quite broad.

Passes the time though doesn't it - trying to identify plants from not quite good enough photos

[Jason Claxton]

Hi Johnny
This fern is the fresh green of Narrow Buckler,but it is not fully developed.Wet woodland is also a possible habitat for it.I wouldn't like to say for sure,but you may be right about dilatata
But really it needs Eleanor to go back and take a look at the tissuey light brown scales at the bottom of the plant.If they have a dark centre or central stripe,Dilatata,if there are no markings, Carthusiana.It is tougher from photies.


Cheers Jason